Scientists Said Sun Caused Global Warming – 1998
By Paul Homewood
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/56456.stm
Back in 1998, the BBC reported:
Climate changes such as global warming may be due to changes in the sun rather than to the release of greenhouse gases on Earth.
Climatologists and astronomers speaking at the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Philadelphia say the present warming may be unusual – but a mini ice age could soon follow.
The sun provides all the energy that drives our climate, but it is not the constant star it might seem.
Careful studies over the last 20 years show that its overall brightness and energy output increases slightly as sunspot activity rises to the peak of its 11-year cycle.
And individual cycles can be more or less active.
The sun is currently at its most active for 300 years.
That, say scientists in Philadelphia, could be a more significant cause of global warming than the emissions of greenhouse gases that are most often blamed.
The researchers point out that much of the half-a-degree rise in global temperature over the last 120 years occurred before 1940 – earlier than the biggest rise in greenhouse gas emissions.
Ancient trees reveal most warm spells are caused by the sun
Using ancient tree rings, they show that 17 out of 19 warm spells in the last 10,000 years coincided with peaks in solar activity.
They have also studied other sun-like stars and found that they spend significant periods without sunspots at all, so perhaps cool spells should be feared more than global warming. The scientists do not pretend they can explain everything, nor do they say that attempts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions should be abandoned. But they do feel that understanding of our nearest star must be increased if the climate is to be understood.
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Comment: After taking billions in grant money, scientists now know better.
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Flashback 1957: Then-Sen. Lyndon Johnson Believed Governments Would Be Able to Control Weather – Johnson Controlled The Rise Of The Seas Before Obama Was Born? – New York Times – April 17, 1976 excerpts: “From space one could control the earth’s weather, cause drought and floods, change the tides and raise the levels of the sea, make temperate climate frigid,” then-Senator Lyndon B. Johnson told a joint session of Congress in 1957. Like many other legislators, he accepted Defense Department fantasies that the United States was in a race with the Soviet Union to develop environmental weapons.”
Flashback 1979: Climate Experts Warned That An Increase In Antarctic Sea Ice Could Lead To A New Ice Age – In 1979, a top climate scientist said that an increase in Antarctic sea ice could lead to a new ice age.
Experts Tell How Antarctic’s Ice Could Cause Widespread Floods – Mushy Ice Beneath Sheet – Article – NYTimes.com – Since he made this forecast, Antarctic sea ice has increased to record levels.
‘Boats could be launched from the bottom of the steps of the Capitol’ in DC – Flashback 1979: Steven Schneider ‘was peddling the identical West Antarctic Ice Sheet collapse theory which is being recycled’ currently – New York Times – January 8, 1979: ‘If the West Antarctic Ice sheet slips into the sea, as some glaciologists believe is possible, boats could be launched from the bottom of the steps of the Capitol in Washington and a third of Florida would be under water, a climate specialist said today. He was Dr. Stephen H. Schneider, acting leader of the of the Climate Sensitivity Group at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo. Dr. Schneider spoke on climate change as a potential hazard at a session of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, which is conducting its annual meeting here. Other participants in the discussion of such an Antarctic “surge” suggested, however, that while the slippage could occur within a century, it probably would take longer and there was no evidence that the slippage was imminent.”
Flashback 1978: Government Experts Said No End In Sight To Global Cooling – Polar Vortex Increasing
1974 State Of The Climate Report – Global Cooling Will Kill Us All – ‘1974 climate report said that global cooling was going to cause floods, famines, extreme weather, and would kill us all.’
Flashback 1972 LA Times: The Arctic to become ice-free by the year 2000
Global Temperature Update: Still no global warming for 17 years 9 months – Since Sept. 1996
98 Responses
It’s nothing but an elitist plan to turn ordinary working people into serfs. Leave us enough to survive but no more. Make all our earnings go into shelter, heat and clothing leaving us nothing else but grateful we have at least that. That is the grand plan. Control, strict control.
disarmed serfs…
Isn’t that the truth!!!
Amazing how common sense works
and remember… – “polar bears can’t swim” -Al gore
lol… so crazy what they try to push like we some idiots.
Remember over half of Americans think their IQs are above average, I imagine it the same elsewhere around the globe. Nothing worse for civilization than a group of low IQ humans on a mission to save the rest of us from ourselves! Idiots!
Half are above average? That means that half are below average. Isn’t that what average means? Now if you were talking about the White House……
Perhaps not…you need a math refresher.
There’s the median and the average. I’m going to do some calculations on my slide rule and figure out what the intelligence problem is in the U.S.A.
Ah yes, a slide rule?
Man you are ancient! 🙂
No doubt by your post you understand the difference between average and median. I have a suspicion that the curve is skewed the wrong way. 🙁
It’s the Lake Wobegon syndrome all over the world, but especially in the United States, and extra especially in the Blue States.
Well, if you take a good look at the Democrats Constituents then, yea, they are idiots.
The Sun? How could that be possible? Do you think all these Warmer Scientists may have factored this into their models?
There isn’t much money in claiming the Sun is responsible for our global temperature swings, is there…
Regulate the Sun! The EPA can do that, right?
Institute the “Tan Tax” right now!
Team Obama did that in his 1st term.
Oh jeez, don’t give 0bama and his alphabet soup agencies any more stupid ideas, they’re capable of coming up with those on their own.
Ah, but you are incorrect. Some scientists have proposed putting a giant “umbrella” between the earth and sun as a means of cooling the earth. I’m sure there is money in that.
Yeah, but there’s no money in solar warming… Had to change it back to CO2 to be able to cash in.
-Dg
How about “climate scientists” finally just say, “we do not know”.
Exactly, cut our loses and let’s move on.
They can not predict the weather 3 weeks out, consistently give wrong predictions on hurricanes and fudge their data for political reason, why are other “scientists” freaking out that these idiots are disparaging all science with their lies?
When Academia then the Media then the Democrats then the Liberals and then all the warped-in-the-head activists got behind Global Warming, I knew right then and there it was a scam.
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My problem is they have been caught cheating, fudging and manipulating the data, yet they are doubling down, something has to break soon if not Team Obama is gona destroy us financially, I mean, our electricity bills are gona go thru the frigin roof with these new EPA rules, right along with the mandated $300 – $600 a month for ObamaCare, $4 a gallon for gas, beef at $20 a lb. and taking a vacation is out of the question. And the Democrats turn South by South-West and head straight for the waterfalls.
They can’t even report the weather 3 miles away.
Ain’t that the frigin truth.
That will never happen if there is a penny left unspent on climate change “research”.
It should actually be the opposite. The moment Algore said “the science is settled” ALL research funding should have been immediately revoked.
If we already know it all, there’s no reason to keep spending money researching it.
Well if they did then how would the beauraucrats at the UN funnel massive amounts of tax dollars from our pockets and into the pockets of the globalist banking cartel?
Hell, if a dabbler like me can pinpoint the major causes of climactic and atmospheric changes, any climatologist worth a damn certainly can! Unfortunately, too many climatologists and scientists in related fields are lying.
Why are so many scientists lying? M-O-N-E-Y! You want funding? Here’s your script. Follow it!
global warming, aka climate change is only about control of the serfs and their money. It’s all about CONTROL people.
Rules, Regulations, Laws, Taxes, Fees. This is how the power people control the peons. Anybody advocating increases in any of these is trying to take your freedom away and must be fought at all times.
Well I mean – yeah – that’s the sun’s function right, amongst other things but to provide warmth? Silly science. Obviously we need to regulate the sun.
Solar Warming caused by man!!! We must stop it or it will destroy the earth!!!
so….ban man?
That’s the real aim.
Get it down to “manageable” proportion.
Hell even the Egyptians didn’t screw with the sun as badly as we have. We clearly need to worship it like they did.
Shhhhhhh Al Gore will lose his money on carbon credits.
These were the people who didn’t get government grants to say otherwise.
That’s crazy talk. What would the sun have to do with the temperature of the earth?
Then the political power elite realized they could control the masses and the world at large by changing the narrative …
Well, something has caused climate changes on Mars (reduced ice caps) and Jupiter (lost one storm band, the eye is decreasing in size), and it ain’t it our SUVs and farting cows.
Hey Bud, We’ve had a couple of rovers kicking up dust there for years now. Clearly we are messing up the Martian climate!
I’m applying for a grant today to study this further. $12-15 million ought to be enough to cover my initial study.
On Jupiter? Oh wait the sky is falling, the sky is falling. Can I get a part of the grant?
No link to a study, no scientist named, no quote give and the citations lead to other blogs that suffer the same issues.
Just the same old crap that climate depot continually posts.
COMMON SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!
So I take it you like high energy prices???
“Climatologists and astronomers speaking at the American Association for the Advancement of Science” in 1998
You know, it really wasn’t difficult to track down but, that’s not your forte, is it?
Who woulda’ thought the vast, right wing conspiracy of “denialists” was actually in full bloom way back in 1998? Just when the sun went cool and the temps stubbornly refused to rise as commanded by the warmistas!
The bastards!
Actually doing science!
Unheard of!
Exactly which scientist made exactly which quote? You are the one with comprehension issues.
We must enact a sunshine tax to save the endangered man-bear-pig!
Algore with his little cape- makes me laugh out loud every time!
You know all the smart people of the world are always screwing things up..
Remember how at the time of Columbus they believed the earth was flat…even though the Greeks had a God Atlas holding a Globe.
How soon they forget!
If it were to be admitted that the fluctuation in the heat emitted by the sun is causing the “warming”, there would simply be some other scheme to mitigate the problem, and that scheme would be just a variation of the oppressive regulation and taxation corruption we are currently enduring. After all, Algor and his cronies have to make their millions somehow, while controlling the people. Seriously, the “Little Ice Age” would be considered a problem caused by some misdeed of mankind, as was the “year without a summer”, 1816, caused by Mt Tambora’s eruption. It’s disgusting how stupid the population is.
Being that the sun is the 2nd hottest object in the solar system, this makes perfect sense.
The hottest object is Scarlett Johanson’s butt.
The true source of Global Warming!
If CO2 is causing global warming , that could destroy the planet ….. We need to find some useful way to use CO2 and reduce it in the atmosphere ……like ……plants…… yes lets invent plants….. to thrive on CO2 and produce O2 …..just like mother nature did 700 million years ago !!!!!!
You’re a maniac!! That’ll never work!! :o)
We’ll call it the carbon cycle and become famous.
iCarbon. Make it an app and I’ll invest.
I was going to call it Igore after Al but that will work too.
Ha ha. And sell something we’ll call “carbon credits!”
We could get very rich $$$$
LOL +1 for sarcastic creativity
And I always thought it was the invention of the bow and arrow that caused
…then they found out there was no money in blaming the sun.
Nearly one-tenth of all sunlight that the earth receives is actually reflected from the moon. Therefore, I propose we blow up the moon, which should decrease global warming by 10%. Give me a grant now, please.
Yes, Yeeessss and while we are at it lets go big and blow up part to the Sun that’s causing all this misery.
“Comment: After taking billions in grant money, scientists now know better.” An incorrect quote! Should have been: “scientist now know which side of the bread is buttered.” Amazingly 95% of the “scientists” who are claimed as agreeing with “global Warming” aren’t even involved in climate studies.
Yea yea, and it’s not really Global Warming Science, it’s a Global Warming Consensus.
Amen! An appropriate correction. ‘;-)
“The scientists do not pretend they can explain everything…” Apparently, humility died with the Government funded Junk Scientists
Anybody who doesn’t believe in man-made global warming needs to be arrested and imprisoned. I suggest using the highly-competent Royal Canadian Mounted Police as the arresting team.
While your comment is quite humorous, as intended, you have actually identified an initiative that has started taking shape. The Obama administration is so sold on the concept of man made global warming caused by increased CO2 levels that it has started a push to make negative comments pertaining to the cause of global warming a hate crime.
What gobbledygook!!! EVERYONE knows that in the morning, the carbon something oxide levels go UP which causes the outside temperature to go up. It’s just a coincidence that the Sun comes up at the same time which makes it SEEM like it’s the Sun warming thing up. Thank GOD I have a great Liberal college education which allows me to see through all of the BS that’s out there!!!
One thing I remember from all my reading about the 1930s Dust Bowl, both novels and newspaper reports – you know, with all the record high temperatures that still stand and the drought records that have never been equaled? – is how there was a general consensus that it was all caused by excess carbon dioxide from the horseless carriage and coal-fired power plants and trains and all. Yes, I distinctly remember that.
Heritic..
how dare you suggest that a STAR burning close to our planet creates heat!!!!!
Dont you KNOW that all of the libtarts said only co2 causes warmth
this is the FIRST time in history that the sun was blamed for causing Heat..
dont you know that the sun doesnt cause warmth?
just all of the Hot air out of liberals mouths heat the earth..
God only knows how much hot air these useless people spew out on a daily basis..
But we knew that… check out the correlation of sun spots with temperature. Maunder minimum correlated with the little ice age etc.
And this was just a few years after these same scientists claimed we were headed into doom from another ice age!
Ban the sun! Now!
To those who worship “Gaia”, they should be very careful and circumspect. “Ra” can be very jealous.
Gee imagine that… The massive heat producing star that our planet revolves around is responsible for temperature changes. These scientists may be on to something here.
97 pct of scientists agree on nothing.
Obama by Executive Order will cut back the forces of the Sun.
this is just common sense. But you can’t get grants or billions for crony green capitalism from the sun.
ive been saying thsi for years and ive been asking why the astro scientists are not speaking up about whats really causing the flucuations in our weather patterns? could it be the recent flipping of the magnetic poles on the sun, soemthing that happens every 25 years give or take a couple turns around the sun? but throw hundreds of millions of dollars america needs to fix itself, to foriegn agencies that do nothing but sit ina bldg and make up science.
you cant fix stupid, you can only vote stupid out of office.
I think I remember hearing something about the sun back when I took general science in 1965. I think the sun is still there. Even the 97% of selected scientists with a leftist agenda might agree with that.
The other day I asked one of my lib friends whatever happened to the ozone hole? He told me it was fixed. However, according to NASA, it’s bigger that ever. It has nothing to do with the chemistry of CFCs. It is strictly a function of temperature. And it gets bigger when it gets colder.
Maybe there’s a correlation to the size of the ice cap, also much bigger? 😉
To think the piddly amount of CFCs produced by man had anything to do with the ozone hole is pure narcissism on steroids.
Absolutely! I’ve never followed the comments on this site before. It’s really refreshing to read interesting, intelligent, and clever comments as opposed to the tripe posted by liberal idiots on other sites.
CLIMATECHEERS, DEMOCRATS, RINO’s all deny that which blind them.
No scientist ever says:”The Debate is Over.”
That’s why it’s mostly politicians who say it.
EVERY climate alarmist prediction has turned out to be flat wrong. Every one of them, from vanishing Polar bears, to disappearing Arctic ice, to accelerating sea level rise, to ocean “acidification”, to global warming — which stopped more than 17 years ago. All of their predictions were wrong.
When one group is 100.0% wrong, all the time, then reasonable people will no longer believe what they say. They are lying for grant money, and the Administration is lying in order to raise “carbon” taxes.
There is nothing happening now that is unusual, or unprecedented. That is a fact to keep in mind when these climate charlatans try to scare the citizens. Don’t be scared. They are just lying for money. For your money. They are out to steal more of it. Don’t let them! ‘Climate change’ is a false alarm.
They said the Sun MAY be responsible. Read the damn article.
There are much better articles than this little snippet. But then again, the obvious doesn’t need all the explaining that minutia-laden AGW hypothesis does.
True, the sun plays a crucial role in cooling and warming cycles. So do these: The earth’s axial wobble and its relation to the wobble in the earth’s elliptical orbit around the sun, water vapor, volcanic activity, meteor strikes, and (hopefully not) a nuclear winter or two that may be in our future. Cyanobacteria, plant life, and all other life on the planet also make significant contributions. Man’s contribution is insignificant as was demonstrated during the last 17 years in which there has been zero global warming. Had we not contributed what we did during the last 17 years, the cooling trend we are now in would have been slightly more evident.
Don’t let the propagandists, “bought and paid for” scientists, and billionaires withholding contributions from the Democrats until a carbon tax is passed fool you. Last winter was the coldest in over a century and the ice caps at both poles are now thickening .The North Pole’s ice cap did so at record pace last winter. The Antarctic ice has been thickening for quite a while. Just ask Greenpeace. They found out the hard way at the beginning of Antarctica’s summer last year.
So a gigantic fusion reactor converting 500 million metric tons of hydrogen into helium PER SECOND has an effect on the earth? Who’da thunk it!
Please inform Al Gore.
All we need to do is redirect as many comets in the solar system as possible into the sun to cool it off. A cooler sun means a cooler earth. As absurd as this sounds, I guarantee you some pointy-headed lefty is seriously contemplating such a scheme.
And Hillary thought right wing conspirators were evil…