The global warming establishment and the media are crowing about 2010 being in a tie for the “hottest year” ever. The UK Guardian headline sums up the media’s promotion:
UK Guardian: ‘Hottest Year’ Claim: 2014 officially the ‘hottest year’ on record US government scientists say – ‘Nasa and Noaa scientists report 2014 was 0.07F (0.04C) higher than previous records…The global average temperatures over land and sea surface for the year was 1.24F (0.69C) above the 20th century average, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa) and Nasa reported. The scientists said 2014 was 0.07F (0.04C) higher than the previous records set in 2005 and 2010.’
But scientists and climate skeptics are countering that the claims of “hottest year” are based on immeasurable temperature differences that are based on hundredths of a degree differences.
Climate Depot’s Marc Morano issued this statement: “There are dueling global datasets — surface temperature records and satellite records — and they disagree. The satellites show an 18 year plus global warming ‘standstill and the satellite was set up to be “more accurate” than the surface records. See: Flashback: 1990 NASA Report: ‘Satellite analysis of upper atmosphere is more accurate, & should be adopted as the standard way to monitor temp change.’
Any temperature claim of “hottest year” based on surface data is based on hundredths of a degree hotter than previous “hottest years”. This immeasurable difference is not even within the margin of error of temperature gauges. The claim of the “hottest year” is simply a political statement not based on temperature facts. “Hottest year” claims are based on minute fractions of a degree while ignoring satellite data showing Earth is continuing the 18 plus year ‘pause’ or ‘standstill’. See: The Great Pause lengthens again: Global temperature update: The Pause is now 18 years 3 months (219 months)
Claiming 2014 is the “hottest year” on record based on hundredths of a degree temperature difference is a fancy way of saying the global warming ‘pause’ is continuing.”
End Morano statement. (Morano was former staff of U.S. Senate Environment & Public Works Committee and producer of upcoming documentary Climate Hustle. He also testified in West VA on the climate school curriculum. )
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Even former NASA global warming chief scientist James Hansen, the leading proponent of man-made global warming in the U.S., conceded in 2011 that the “hottest year” rankings are essentially meaningless. Hansen explained that 2010 differed from 2005 by less than 2 hundredths of a degree F (that’s 0.018F). “It’s not particularly important whether 2010, 2005, or 1998 was the hottest year on record,” Hansen admitted on January 13.
Climatologist Dr. Judith Curry, former chair of the school of earth and atmospheric sciences at Georgia Institute of Technology, had this to say about 2014 being the ‘hottest year’: “The ‘warmest year’ is noticeably missing in the satellite data sets of lower atmospheric temperatures,” Curry wrote on January 16.
Curry predicts another decade of a global warming ‘pause’ or ‘hiatus’. “I’ve made my projection – global surface temperatures will remain mostly flat for at least another decade,” she eexplained
“With 2014 essentially tied with 2005 and 2010 for hottest year, this implies that there has been essentially no trend in warming over the past decade. This ‘almost’ record year does not help the growing discrepancy between the climate model projections and the surface temperature observations,” Curry told the Washington Post.
Curry continued: “Berkeley Earth (temperature analysis) sums it up well with this statement: ‘That is, of course, an indication that the Earth’s average temperature for the last decade has changed very little.’
Climatologist Dr. Pat Michaels, mocked the notion of the “hottest year.” “Whether or not a given year is a hundredth of a degree or so above a previous record is not the issue. What IS the issue is how observed temperatures compare to what has been forecast to happen,” Michaels said.
Michaels continued: “John Christy and Richard McNider, from University of Alabama (Huntsville) recently compared climate model projections to observed lower atmospheric temperatures as measured by two independent sources: satellites and weather balloons. They found that the average warming predicted to have occurred since 1979 (when the satellite data starts) is approximately three times larger than what is being observed.”
Climatologist Dr. John Christy, professor of atmospheric sciences, University of Alabama-Huntsville, noted satellites do not agree with “warmest year” claims. “The satellite and balloon data of the deep atmosphere have 2014 in a cluster of warmish years well below the hottest two of 1998 and 2010″, Christy said.
Christy continued: “With the government agencies reporting that the surface temperature as highest ever, we have a puzzle. The puzzle is even more puzzling because theory (i.e. models) indicate the opposite should be occurring – greater warmth in the deep atmosphere than the surface. So, there are just many very basic and fundamental aspects of the global climate we have yet to comprehend.”
Climatologist Dr. Roger Pielke Sr., professor of atmospheric science, Colorado State University, downplayed the accuracy of the surface temperature record. “There remain significant uncertainties in the accuracy of the land portion of the surface temperature data, where we have found a significant warm bias. Thus, the reported global average surface temperature anomaly is also too warm.”
“More generally, we need to move beyond just assessing global warming, but examine how (and if) key atmospheric and ocean circulations, such as El Nino, La Nina, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, etc. are changing in their intensity, structure and frequency. These are the climate features that determine if a region has drought, floods, and so forth, not a global average surface temperature anomaly,” Pielke added.
Astrophysicist Dr. Dr David Whitehouse declared “talk of a record is scientifically and statistically meaningless.’ “The addition of 2014 global temperature data confirms that the post-1997 standstill seen in global annual average surface temperature has continued,” Whitehouse wrote on January 16.
“According to the Nasa global temperature database 2014 was technically a record ‘beating’ 2010 by the small margin of 0.02 deg C. The NASA press release is highly misleading saying that 2014 is a record without giving the actual 2014 figure, or any other year, or its associated error.”
“In reality of course it is no record at all as the error of the measurements is about +/- 0.1 deg C showing NasaGiss’ statement to go against the normal treatment of observational data and its errors. Talk of a record is therefore scientifically and statistically meaningless,” Whitehouse added.
“It is clear beyond doubt by now that there is a growing discrepancy between computer climate projections and real-world data that questions their ability to produce meaningful projections about future climatic conditions,” Whitehouse concluded.
Another analysis noted: NASA Hottest Year Claims Not Supported By The Data: NASA admitted in 2011 that “hottest year” differences were “smaller than the uncertainty in comparing the temperatures of recent years.”
Via the website ‘Not A Lot Of People Know That: “Nowhere does their (NASA 2015) press release tell us that it only beat the previous record by a tiny, effectively unmeasurable 0.02C. Nor do they mention that the error bars are many times greater, or even tell us what they are. This is all very strange because in their (NASA) report on 2010 Global Temperatures, NASA said:
“Global surface temperatures in 2010 tied 2005 as the warmest on record, according to an analysis released Wednesday by researchers at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York. The two years differed by less than 0.018 degrees Fahrenheit. The difference is smaller than the uncertainty in comparing the temperatures of recent years, putting them into a statistical tie.”
Meteorologist Dr. Ryan Maue of Florida State University ridiculed the same “hottest year” rankings in 2010 and NASA’s Hansen’s admission that it “was not particularly important” which year was declared the “hottest.” “Well, then stop issuing press releases which tout the rankings, which are subject to change ex post facto,” Maue demanded in a January 14, 2011 commentary at WattsUpWithThat.com.
Other prominent scientists have said that temperature rise since 1850 has been very small.
See: Top Swedish Climate Scientist Says Warming Not Noticeable: ‘The warming we have had last a 100 years is so small that if we didn’t have climatologists to measure it we wouldn’t have noticed it at all’ – Award-Winning Dr. Lennart Bengtsson, formerly of UN IPCC: ‘We Are Creating Great Anxiety Without It Being Justified’. Dr. Bengtsson announced his skeptical climate views in 2014.
Nobel Prize-Winning Physicist Dr. Ivar Giaever, declared his dissent on global warming and noted that the temperature rise over the 20th century was “so little. It is not even fever.” Giaever won a Nobel Prize for physics.
“.8 degrees we will be discussing in global warming. .8 degrees if you ask people in general they will think it is 4 or 5 degrees they don’t know it is so little. It is not even fever,” Giaever said.
“I am amazed that the temperature can be so stable,” Giaever explained. ‘The temperature (of the Earth) has been amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely improved in this ‘warming’ period.’
“I don’t see that co2 is the cause of all this problem,” he added.
Related Links:
It’s Official – There are now 66 excuses for Temp ‘pause’ – Updated list of 66 excuses for the 18-26 year ‘pause’ in global warming Eco-Activists Warn 2014 Could Be Hottest Year On Record – Satellites Disagree
Even ignoring satellite data Year-to-date ‘record’ temps are 0.21C *below* climate model projections
2014 might be 0.01C warmer than 2010!
No Record Temperatures According To Satellites – BBC put up a deliberately apocalyptic picture while telling us the world is on course for the warmest year on record. What they failed to tell us was that the more accurate satellites, which monitor atmospheric temperatures over nearly all of the globe, say no such thing. Figures from UAH are out for November, and these show a drop from the October anomaly of 0.27C to 0.33C. This means that at the end of November, this year is only in a tie for 3rd with 2005, and well below the record year of 1998, and 2010.
2014 ‘Warmest ever’? ‘Conflicting Reports’ – Surface temps show it may be warmer by ‘a couple hundredths of a degree Celsius’ — A Fancy Ways of Saying Temp Standstill Continues! – ‘As a result of data and computational uncertainty, none of the surface compilations will 2014 be statistically different from 2010’ – ‘The three major groups calculating the average surface temperature of the earth (land and ocean combined) all are currently indicating that 2014 will likely nudge out 2010 (by a couple hundredths of a degree Celsius) to become the warmest year in each dataset (which begin in mid-to-late 1800s).’ – ‘The two satellite datasets ‘show that 2014 is nowhere near the warmest (in data which starts in 1979), trailing 1998 by several tenths of a degree Celsius. This difference is so great that it statistically clear that 2014 will not be a record year…The super El Niño of 1998 set a high temperature mark that will likely stand for many years to come, or at least until another huge El Niño occurs.’ – ‘If you want 2014 to be the “warmest year ever recorded” you can find data to back you up, and if you prefer it not be, well, you can find data to back up that position as well. In all cases, the former will make headlines.’
Study using dozens of models Claims: ‘Warming Climate Can Be Slowed in a Decade’ by cutting CO2
Climate Depot Note: If future temps continue to flatline or even cool, warmists can claim climate policy is responsible. They are already doing it! See: It’s Official — Temperature ‘Pause’ Caused By Climate Policies?! Medieval witchcraft lives! UK Energy Minister: Government policies ‘may have slowed down global warming’
Climate Depot’s Morano comment: ‘AP’s Borenstein can be trusted to shill for UN’s climate summit in Lima Peru, which I will be attending and speaking at. Borenstein relies on Michael Oppenheimer (who is the UN scientists on the payroll of Hollywood stars) and Climategate’s Michael Mann. Borenstein ignores tide gauges on sea level showing deceleration of sea level rise and ignores satellite temperatures which show the Earth in an 18 year ‘pause’ or ‘standstill’ of global warming. Borenstein tortures data in order to claim more weather extremes. We are currently at or near historic lows in tornadoes and hurricanes. Even droughts are on long term declines and floods show no trend. We know not to expect more from Borenstein.’ See: ‘Long sad history of AP reporter Seth Borenstein’s woeful global warming reporting’
Sea level claims debunked here:
Extreme weather claims debunked here:
Greenland ice claims debunked here:
Antarctica ice claims debunked here:
Overpopulation claims debunked here:
Analysis: Why ’90% of the missing heat’ cannot be hiding in the oceans
2,687 Responses
We know NASA is a division of the U.S. government. The administration wants hahahahaha global warming legislation to take more money out of our pockets and force us to live like they think we should live. I’m not buying anything these people have to say. The earth is not warming, they are lying, and they should move on and forget this mess the world is trying to heap upon us.
Thy’ve politicized every department of government. Even the weather has been politicized. All with the goal of centralizing more power and money toward them, the political class.
They want us to be poor little goblin-like creatures who fight each other all day, live in slums, and accept an ultra-low quality of life while they, the political and economical ruling class, live like kings in armored castles and make all the decisions for us. That’s why they tell us WE are ruining the earth with cars, A/C, and quality food when its really THEM who are ruining the earth with GMOs, weather manipulation, faulty nuclear power generators, ect.
Wow, you’ve seen too many movies and spend too much time on InfoWars.
Which part of my comment do you disagree with? This stuff is obvious to anyone with an eye on the big picture. Whats infowars?
Really? Weather manipulation? Nuclear power is ruining the earth, bogey man GMO’s?
Can’t explain things to someone with your level of education.
Try googling “Fukushima”
The damage done to the environment by accidents like Fukushima pale in comparison to the damage done every year by burning coal and other fossil fuels. Even those nuts at Green Peace have finally admitted it.
Back to your conspiracies and high school educations. I can do no good here.
You claim CO2 is worse than radioactive waste. That is completely asinine and shows how “educated” you are.
Apparently just a “post and run” troll – typical lieberal / progressive hypocrite; bet he/she doesn’t remotely understand the ramifications of a CO2 free world…but then again, none of the “warmers” do.
Actually, the founder of Greenpeace has denounced it.
Who’s talking about the “founder”. I’m talking about the current organization.
All you’re doing is talking out of your arse.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2011-06-27-nuclear-plant-leaks_n.htm
But don’t let reality affect your indoctrinated delusions.
Show me one person that has died from those leaks. Thousands die every year from the contamination from coal burning plants. And I’m not against coal ..so I’m certainly not against Nuclear power. It’s not a nefarious invention of our government overloads. Or maybe I’m wrong, maybe it was created by the Lizard People, or big foot …. you bunch of loons.
You don’t get out much, or watch the news or read, do you?
I’m still waiting for someone to show me one person who has died from those tritium leaks.
Suggesting others aren’t ‘educated’ whilst subtly and bragardly grandstanding your own so-called “education” is on par with being psychotic. It actually sounds like, were you to hold all of your so-called education credentials in one hand and a pile of dog poop in the other, together, it’s worth exactly a pile of dog poop.
Wow, I’m glad you explained all that to me, you must be a genius or something …or just another old guy.
Ooooh! Fukushima is such a big conspiracy…. It’s just a trick to make warmists look like fools…
Guess what?
They are a bunch of fools.
Nuclear energy was the first save the planet green energy initiative.
You guys screwed it up.
The greenies have been wrong for so long, it’s a wonder anybody still listens to them.
No moron, it wasn’t a green initiative, it was a weapon, then it was a propulsion system, then it was used by giant power companies… greens had nothing to do with it. Jeez, this place if full of conspiracy whacks.
Fear technology, fear change ….wow, glad I’m not old.
I guess you were asleep during the entire decade of the 1970s….
Nuclear energy was all the rave of the greenies. They rammed it thru over the protests of the coal industry and people worried about the exact types of catastrophes such as Fukushima, Chernobyl, & 3 mile island.
But then again, you’re a warmist, so don’t let the facts get in the way of a good narrative….
Wrong again, there was no green movement of any real influence in the 70’s certainly none with enough power to alter the course of nuclear power. Just a bunch of aging hippies that knew nothing about technology.
And I’m not a warmist fu ck breath, I’m way right of you, I’m just not stupid like you. I don’t shun technology, I don’t cry it’s going to hurt mother earth like you. I’m all for tons of energy of every kind, you are not a conservative, you are just a stupid luddite. Big difference between conservative and just plain scared of the future cause you are old and stubborn.
Crawl into your cave and keep warm by your camp fire … the nut case environmentalists will be sitting right next to you. You probably think calculators are an evil invention of the greenies too. Get out of the way of technology, commerce, free enterprise and invention … move into the old folks home already.
Oooh! Such a scary RINO you are.
For a second there I thought you were going to call me a doo-doo pie…
We don’t need your hindrance of a weather scam for progress to happen. So, get your hand out of our pockets & scram.
Ooooh! Conspiracy whacks.
Another gruberite technical term for anyone who deviates from the liberal chicken-little narrative.
Fracking IS change.
And if you can manage to get thru life without getting run over by the short little school bus that drops you off at school every day, you might actually live long enough to gain some perspective – and there STILL won’t be any credible evidence of man made global warming.
And look up Monsanto (GMO), and “cloud seeding” just to name two – both are at the forefront of the GMO and the weather manipulation topics you just tried to discredit because you don’t have the brain power to understand them…FAIL.
Ignorance is bliss.
You really need reading comprehension classes, remedial ones should do the trick.
ever heard of cloud seeding?
Have you ever heard fo Operation Popeye? Vietnam 40 some years ago. Have you heard of Fukashima? Chernobyl? Do you know what a pebble bed reactor is? Why don’t we use it?
Your identy is a mystery, you benefactors are not, trool.
You retard, no, I don’t know what any of that is, but I did work in the US Nuclear Navy for six years, an instructor at the MARF plant (S7W primary) at the Kesselring site in upstate NY. So I know nothing about nuclear power plant design, theory and operation …jeez. Back in your Luddite caves you geezers.
You’re a witty Devil! They shot a monkey into space, do you think it knew if it was safe or not?
Disagreeing with someone’s opinion is fine, even necessary for a healthy debate. But to attempt to belittle someone because you don’t agree with their opinion make you no better than the narcissist lieberal / progressive / socialist dimwitcrats that are trying to control all of us – you included.
Wow, how insightful. Are you Dr. Phil?
Is no use arguing with that guy.
You might have been able to talk some sense into him back when he was just drinking the coolaid, but not since he started free-basing the mix.
I have no love for InfoWars. The hurt any cause against the feudalists with their crazy conspiracy theories. But MysteryMan, please put down the cool-aid.
They are not liberals, socialists, communists, democrats, etc, etc. They are the Neo-Feudalists they want to be the princes and we should be the peasants.
A very astute observation!
<3 Muah!
I was with you until the last sentence…
You stole my thunder, your spot on..
Reality can be hard to accept sometimes. There are plenty of other ways they are turning us into peons, those were just what I pulled off the top of my head. It might be too hardcore for some people, but its all true.
Hey! The University of California at Berkeley said the same thing, and we know they have no bias.
Lol..
L. M. F. A. O.
“Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.” (Obama – January 2008), referring to EPA regulations that would target and/or shut down coal fired electrical plants.
http://www.BattleBornPAC.com
Anyone who believes the lieberal / progressive / socialist / democrats (globally) aren’t out to control the weak minded lemmings is not paying attention.
Douche bags fear mongers
I expect the Climate Change delusionalists to continue to pray to their faux statistics and skewed data! You just can’t fix…STUPID!
Amen to that Janger
HA HA HA HA HA 0.07 ? That is within the measurement of error, statistical significance of error. Try again cultist.
What’s the windchill for 0.07 degrees?
Why, it could be as much as 0.14.
Meds man! Take your MEDS!!!
you need them more than i do, isn’t it time for jerry springer, or is it bill maher? how about the ED SHOW? Your fellow cultists are waiting for you.
Those goofy thoughts will vanish from your sick head…Take a pink one and a yellow one! There now? Relief is just a swallow away!
sorry i am NOT a member of YOUR cult. PASS !
What did you PASS?
The big power grab is the faux link between CO² and temperature. Then the regulating of CO² emissions.
There is ZERO correlation:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/04/dr-vincent-gray-on-historical-carbon-dioxide-levels/
Liberals say:
“The only solution to “climate change” is MORE GOVERNMENT, MORE TAXES, MORE SPENDING!”
Drive a hybrid, but turn your head while Obama uses Air Force One to fly his DOG separately on vacation.
That sums it it up quit nicely. The Man Caused Global Warming crowd is using the Issue to further other goals.
There a billions of dollars of grant money at stake here. Must continue the global something or another to ensure the money keeps flowing. It costs a lot of money to keep the 26,000 sq. ft. homes of the grant receivers cooled/heated/maintained.
I think your talking about the “scientists” working for the oil companies. I guess you don’t know grants are given to do more research, they’re not a paycheck like the oil co’s give, use some logic for a change.
$63 Billion in 2013 spent World Wide on Green. I think that’s more then some Scientist make. The inability in the Green Movement to admit seeking profit drives that movement… is more then willful Ignorance.
Give it a rest Dave. Nobody is buying what your are selling here.
Aww, I’m i ruining your little teabagging party, where you snuggle and tickle each other’s idiocies, sorry.
First, when you get out of high school are have to start working for a living, then talk to me about grants. How do you think the companies, colleges, scientists get paid. They use the grant money for the research and to pay the people doing the work.
A great deal of U.S. Government grant money goes to engineering graduate students, many of whom are *foreign students*.
I should know. I got grant money for research, and I know how the system operates.
I do agree on a lot of foreign students getting grants. When my wife was in college getting her BS and Masters, most of the foreign students were going on grants. They also told her that could use the money for living expenses. I see that as paying themselves a salary to live. Since you receive a grans to do research, you must have been working for someone else and they were paying you or did you work for free?
Yes, as a graduate student you are paid for 20 hours of research work each week, which is enough to pay for many of your living expenses.
Two years ago I was an (adult) electrical engineering graduate student. A U.S. government entity was paying the grant obtained by my professor and it employed myself and another foreign student. When you work doing research for the university, your tuition is also paid (essentially free).
The foreign students that were class with my wife and working on their first four years of an electronic engineering degree were getting grants. Of course she didn’t get any because she is an American and married to one of those filthy, filthy rich white guys. Have a great day and hope you can find a job.
Oh, I’m a brainwashed repub who thinks the scientists just deposit those grants in their personal accounts, like the pay checks “scientists” working for the polluters do.
I didn’t have any opinion of where your politics lead. But afer that reply trying to put words in my mouth, I would now think you to be more on the Progressive/Democrat side of politics.
That’s exactly my point idiot, they use them to fund more research, their not a paycheck. And I’ve been out of highschool longer than you’ve been alive fool.
They are still using the grant money to live off of, therefore, a paycheck. You can call it what ever you want. I do hope I do live as long as you since you must be in your middle to late 80s since I was born in the late ’40s. Or were you just being sarcastic about my age since I don’t agree with what you think?
Have a great evening, going to bed now and read a book.
Should they do it for free? If you we’re born in the forties
So are you now agreeing that the grant money they are using to live off of is used as part of a paycheck? No, it doesn’t matter when you were born, it is money to do what ever the money was give to you for. Go to school, research work, living expenses, etc.
So your not near as old as you were trying to make me believe.
I wasn’t being sarcastic or insulting about your age but you obviously were and just like most conservatives you start it, “when you get out of highschool” then you start crying when it comes back your way. Your comment was juvenile so I thought you were, just so you know I was born the year Kennedy was inaugurated. If those scientists were concerned about a big paycheck they’d work for the oil companies.
Sarcasm was never intended since I know nothing about you, your reply sounded like a high school reply to me. The people doing research for the oil companies are being paid by the oil companies as employees not with grant money. Grants can be used to go to school, research, pay living expenses while in school or doing research.
I was in grade school when Kennedy was inaugurated.
It doesn’t look like we will agree on anything except about how old we are.
Have a great day.
Time to go get a cup of coffee.
Ah Dave…you poor man. The ‘scientists’ who spend our grant (tax) money pretend to study all that is related to AGW and provide no solutions. Just say “AGW” on your grant application and the gubment leaps at the chance to waste more money making feel good studies that have no merit. At least those big bad oil companies…who by the way make less on a barrel of oil than the government does….provide us with the ability to survive as an economic power. GRANTS ARE SCIENTISTS PAYCHECKS!!!! Wake up you warped university instructed retard!
When the bell rings why don’t you run across the play ground and check out all the solutions that scientists have come up with, there’s quite a few, you’d know that if your head wasn’t buried in the sand, you know the oil saturated sand covering the Gulf of Mexico that tax payers will eventually have to pay to clean up.
Pretend to study? Pretend to have a brain… They’ve came up with lots of solutions, you might not like them, they might cramp your self destructive life style of consumption. Grants are overseen, they pay for research, equipment, assistants, and scientists, of course they don’t do it for free, but they’re not getting rich from grants, like the “scientists” working for the oil companies, they keep all of their checks and come up with bogus simple minded non-facts. Maybe you should have gotten a grant for college, you would know how to spell government and wouldn’t be such a mental drain on society.
So you’re ok with him being a hypocrite then, either way.
Oh that’s rich! Well played GiveMeLiberty!…well played! 😉
I’m confused on how electric/hybrid can significantly reduce emmissions. You have to plug the thing in right? The power to charge the batteries comes from somewhere, right? Most likely the power used to charge the batteries was generated with gas or coal.
First Rule: IGNORE facts and logic…just obey the government with a smile, and vote Democrat!
I lived in California when Carter was President. Where is that global
cooling Mr. Carter ??
The fact that the report was made and presented by “Federal Scientists” is all I need to know.
Lie through their teeth. Not an ounce of integrity in the Obama camp.
Oh, so Obama came up with climate change? Or did this just become a partisan issue when the black guy walked in the door?
it’s been an issue since the dumb shit leftists called it Global cooling, Global warming, Climate Change…on and on….just so they could sit in universities holding study groups and not get a job.
More idiotic nonsense, only conservatives think people would rather sit on the couch for $90 a week than work, maybe because that’s what they would do, red states do get a lot more fed assistance than blue states, keep listening to fox.
So sad you get confused by words and it’s obvious you didn’t attend any university.
All of Obama’s agencies lie. IRS lies. DOJ lies. CDC lies. Obama lies. NOAA lies. Labor Department lies. State department lies. DOD lies. They all lies. You black guy is a liar and he has others lie for him too.
I agree !
Global cooling was pushed by a very small group of climatologists
And was just as inaccurate and stupid.
“Climate experts believe the next ice age is on its way.”
– Leonard Nimoy, 1978.
References:
1970 – Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age – Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
1970 – Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
1970 – New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (Owosso Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution’s 2-way ‘Freeze’ On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)
1970 – Cold Facts About Pollution (The Southeast Missourian, January 29, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
1970 – Scientist predicts a new ice age by 21st century (Boston Globe, April 16, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
1970 – Dirt Will Bring New Ice Age (The Sydney Morning Herald, October 19, 1970)
1971 – Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (The Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)
1971 – Pollution Might Lead To Another Ice Age (Schenectady Gazette, March 22, 1971)
1971 – Pollution May Bring Ice Age – Scientist Rites Risk (The Windsor Star, March 23, 1971)
1971 – U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
1971 – Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)
1971 – New Ice Age Coming – It’s Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
1971 – Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)
1971 – Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)
1972 – Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)
1972 – Ice Age Cometh For Dicey Times (The Sun, May 29, 1972)
1972 – There’s a new Ice Age coming! (The Windsor Star, September 9, 1972)
1972 – Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)
1972 – British Expert on Climate Change Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (Portsmouth Times, ?September 11, 1972?)
1972 – New Ice Age Slipping Over North (Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
1972 – Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, ?September 12, 1972?)
1972 – British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
1972 – Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
1972 – Geologist at Case Traces Long Winters – Sees Ice Age in 20 Years (Youngstown Vindicator, December 13, 1972)
1972 – Ice Age On Its Way, Scientist Says (Toledo Blade, December 13, 1972)
1972 – Ice Age Predicted In About 200 Years (The Portsmouth Times, December 14, 1972)
1973 – The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
1973 – ‘Man-made Ice Age’ Worries Scientists (The Free Lance-Star, June 22, 1973)
1973 – Fear Of Man-made Ice Age (Herald-Journal, June 28, 1973)
1973 – Possibility Of Ice Age Worries The Scientists (The Argus-Press, November 12, 1973)
1973 – Weather-watchers think another ice age may be on the way (The Christian Science Monitor, December 11, 1973)
1974 – Ominous Changes in the World’s Weather (PDF) (Fortune, February 1974)
1974 – Atmospheric Dirt: Ice Age Coming?? (Pittsburgh Press, February 28, 1974)
1974 – New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)
1974 – Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)
1974 – 2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near (The Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)
1974 – Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (The Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)
1974 – Imminent Arrival of the Ice (Radio Times, November 14, 1974)
1974 – Believes Pollution Could Bring On Ice Age (Ludington Daily News, December 4, 1974)
1974 – Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, ?December 4, 1974?)
1974 – Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, ?December 5, 1974?)
1974 – More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel, ?December 5, 1974?)
1974 – Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 5, 1974)
1975 – Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
1975 – Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
1975 – B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (The Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
1975 – Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, ?March 2, 1975?)
1975 – Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator, ?March 2, 1975?)
1975 – Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)
1975 – New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, ?March 2, 1975?)
1975 – There’s Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, ?March 2, 1975?)
1975 – Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, ?March 3, 1975?)
1975 – The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (The Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
1975 – The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)
1975 – Cooling trend may signal coming of another Ice Age (The Sun, May 16, 1975)
1975 – Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
1975 – Summer of A New Ice Age (The Age, June 5, 1975)
1975 – In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
1975 – Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 11, 1975)
1976 – The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? [Book] (Lowell Ponte, 1976)
1976 – Ice Age Predicted (Reading Eagle, January 22, 1976)
1976 – Ice Age Predicted In Century (Bangor Daily News, January 22, 1976)
1976 – It’s Going To Get Chilly About 125 Years From Now (Sarasota Herald-Tribune, January 23, 1976)
1976 – Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
1977 – Blizzard – What Happens if it Doesn’t Stop? [Book] (George Stone, 1977)
1977 – The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age [Book] (The Impact Team, 1977)
1977 – The Ice Age Cometh… (New York Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 – The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 – Has The Ice Age Cometh Again? (Calgary Herald, February 1, 1977)
1977 – Space Mirrors Proposed To Prevent Crop Freezes (Bangor Daily News, February 7, 1977)
1977 – We Will Freeze in the Dark (Capital Cities Communications Documentary, Host: Nancy Dickerson, April 12, 1977)
1978 – Ice! [Book] (Arnold Federbush, 1978)
1978 – The New Ice Age [Book] (Henry Gilfond, 1978)
1978 – Winter May Be Colder Than In Last Ice Age (The Deseret News, January 2, 1978)
1978 – Current Winters Seen Colder Than In Ice Age? (The Telegraph, January 3, 1978)
1978 – Winter Temperatures Colder Than Last Ice Age (Eugene Register-Guard, Eugene Register-Guard, January 3, 1978)
1978 – Little Ice Age: Severe winters and cool summers ahead (Calgary Herald, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Winters Will Get Colder, ‘we’re Entering Little Ice Age’ (Ellensburg Daily Record, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Geologist Says Winters Getting Colder (Middlesboro Daily News, January 16, 1978)
1978 – It’s Going To Get Colder (Boca Raton News, ?January 17, 1978?)
1978 – Another Ice Age? (Kentucky New Era, February 12, 1978)
1978 – Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, ?February 13, 1978?)
1978 – Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1978)
1978 – The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, Host: Leonard Nimoy, May 1978)
1978 – An Ice Age Is Coming Weather Expert Fears (Milwaukee Sentinel, November 17, 1978)
1979 – A Choice of Catastrophes – The Disasters That Threaten Our World [Book] (Isaac Asimov, 1979)
1979 – The New Ice Age Cometh (The Age, January 16, 1979)
1979 – Ice Age Building Up (Ellensburg Daily Record, June 5, 1979)
1979 – Large Glacial Buildup Could Mean Ice Age (Spokane Daily Chronicle, June 5, 1979)
1979 – Ice Age On Its Way (Lewiston Morning Tribune, June 7, 1979)
1979 – Get Ready to Freeze (Spokane Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)
1979 – New ice age almost upon us? (The Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1979)
People did that last time and look what happened.
I think it should read Democrat/RINO. Don’t want the RINOs to feel left out now do we?
Yes, I agree.. I have said the same thing myself. I happen to like
my SUV.
Your SUV consumes fewer planet resources than any hybrid. Stay proud!
Will do, Thanks !!
There was a study that came out in December 2014 and was immediately buried by the media. Electric cars are the worst polluters in the U.S., since mort of our electricity comes from coal, and most electric cars are in use in areas that rely on coal power plants. Also, the pollution created when the batteries are made contributes to their lowest ranking.
Ethanol was determined to cause more pollution than regular, non-blended gasoline.
Diesel and hybrids (that don’t use ethanol) were considered the best, followed by regular gasoline vehicles, then ethanol, then electric cars.
www dot usatoday dot com/videos/news/world/2014/12/16/20486989/
I thought that coal was clean (sarcasm). Are you a cryptoliberal?
You can look up the same type of report in National Geographic. Oh, and for all you California Progressives please wiki the Navajo Generating Station. You will learn some real crazy news about the BS your politicians are feeding you. You can google map the huge piles of coal they burn. Powers a lot of California.
You are correct, electricity is used to transfer energy. We are still burning coal, etc. to create the energy.
Don’t forget the production of the vehicle. Oil is used in every step of that process. Oil is literally used for everything. Modern, civilized society wouldn’t be possible without oil. If these warmists are serious about their convictions, they need to go live out in a forest in a log cabin they built themselves and only eat food they kill or gather themselves with tools not made using oil, so basically sticks. Hypocrites. All of them.
Yeah.
If the warmist really believe what they are saying, then why aren’t they living like it?
At least the tinfoil doomsday prepers are putting their money where their mouth is…
All that just tells me that “global warming” really is just a scam.
Same hypocrisy with those that promote gun control but walk around with armed body guards in public.
Thankfully, they are loosing control of the narrative on both issues.
Most of the car is plastic which is made from oil.
NEVER expect a democrat to tell the truth.
Give you that. but you don’t burn oil to make the plastic (much) OIl is not the problem as they see it. Burning it is.
You mean just like gasoline powered cars, so let’s use twice as much, such simple minds.
It sufficiently confuses liberals into thinking they are doing nice nice. Remember, liberals suffer from an extreme lack of the concept of cause and effect.
You mean like pumping smoke into a closed environment for centuries… what could happen? Go sit in your car in the garage, close the door and start the engine… what could happen? I think you got it backwards there.
Pay no attention to the coal fired plant behind the electric curtain!
Shhhhh! Algore, global warming pushers, and liberals don’t know that.
NEVER expect a democrat to tell the truth.
Just add 10 K to the price and put a solar array on your roof. No coal. Ok not gonna happen but you asked.
So let’s keep polluting with coal and cars, brilliant!
Amazonian Rainforest called….they thank us…for the extra CO2….you should be so happy for them.
Nothing to be confused about…. you are thinking logically!
nice
That’s not a very nice thing to say about his wife.
Yeah nevernind the emissions by power plants to generate the charge power of car LION batteries that takr hours to recharge
There was a study that came out in December 2014 and was immediately buried by the media. Electric cars are the worst polluters in the U.S., since most of our electricity comes from coal, and most electric cars are in use in areas that rely on coal power plants. Also, the pollution created when the batteries are made contributes to their lowest ranking.
Ethanol was determined to cause more pollution than regular, non-blended gasoline.
Diesel and hybrids (that don’t use ethanol) were considered the best, followed by regular gasoline vehicles, then ethanol, then electric cars.
When we finally wake up and start replacing coal plants with much safer midsize nukes and mini-nukes, we can then go about phasing in fully electric vehicles as lithium-based battery packs finally come of age. Electric cars can now go over 200 miles between recharges, as demonstrated by Tesla. The trick is to get a vehicle to go 200 miles on an 80-90% recharge that takes 15 minutes or less. Gas stations will gladly install recharging stations to attract the EV crowd to their convenience stores. No problem there.
Wish I could afford an 80K Tesla. My calendar shows its 2015. Obama said there would be one million electric cars on the road by now. Oops, there are only 232K and all of them carry huge government subsidies (other peoples money)
Me too! I’d buy a Vet!
IN HIS FANTASY….
Who cares whether electric cars create overall more CO2? Global warming is a joke. But electric cars do have other benefits over gas powered cars.
…. one benefit, electric cars don’t have gas. Democrats are an endless reservoir of gas, the smelly kind. They camouflage it by having wine tasting and cheese inhaling parties where they cut the cheese endlessly. That’s why they’re all nuts.
You sound jealous and stupid.
Dave, you sound all bitter.
DIR, you sound like you identify with ignorance.
I don’t doubt that we can, yes even will (Allah willing – and boy am I serious about that!) develop technologies that will preserve a decent, reasonable atmosphere / environment – in spite of the Obamacrats. There ARE new, promising battery technologies being examined, NOT necessarily Lithium based – the carbon based one (from Japan) SEEMS to hold the most promise BUT POLITICIANS will not, can not declare a “winner” and make it so. IF we are so unfortunate as to allow ourselves to be subjugated to “the will of Allah blah blah blah”, then hey, who cares about the ‘environment’?
WITH THE HELP OF GOV. SUBSITIES…AND WHERE DOES THE GOV. GET THEIR MONEY TO SUBSITIZE….LARGE CORP THAT PAY THE LIONS SHARE OF TAXES…EVERYTHING GOES UP……DAH………………..
Coal is a dying industry, you’ve probably never heard but there’s these other ways to generate electricity, like solar, wind, geothermal, get a clue, it’s not the cars polluting.
Maybe you have enough money to pay the super expensive cost of green energy but most of us do not!
Shortsighted nay sayer, what will be the price after environmental collapse.
I think the environment was suppose destroyed by now?
You get a clue, obamba already wasted billions on that fantasy… while lining his cronies pockets. Those sources of energy are neither logistically or efficiently able to power a modern economy and never will be able too! Nuclear energy is the best option overall but is a too politically charged alternative. In the meantime, renewable fossil fuels are the only alternative!
The problem with nuclear power is that when something goes wrong it tends to render the surrounding area uninhabitable for around 10,000 years.
Yes, that definitely happened with the Russian reactor in Chernobyl.
However, that type of disaster can be muted with design. Even the Japanese reactors melted down, but it was not a Chernobyl-style apocalypse.
Check out the plans for a Thorium 232 reactor, which is an evolution in design. Thorium is much more plentiful than Uranium, but must first be converted to fissionable U233 with neutron capture.
Light-water BWRs MUST be continuously cooled, even after a quick shut down. The Thorium design does not require this.
People currently living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki should be warned about this! LOL
go back to the 70’s gee this stuff isn’t new…go back to the turn of the last century…they do not teach that kind of history in school …just the fantasy of green energy…pond scum…
Is that why Belgium gets 39% of it’s power from just wind alone?
Wrong, propaganda……..On Sunday 6 February 2011, 12% of the consumed electricity was generated by wind turbines. Due to high winds………..
Right, your a fool, that article is 4 years old, they’ve almost tripled production since 2011, it’s best to take your foot out of your mouth before speaking.
A song comes to mind ” nothing from nothing leaves nothing”. You are too stupid to have a conversation with…
That’s cool, I know you teabagging fools think facts are stupid, here’s another I to upset you, Denmark gets almost 40% of its power from wind as well. To stupid to google?
Wiki says 19%. The alternatives are crap. Even you will forget about them with cheap oil.
How old is that info, I see you found out how to google.
One more thing Mr. Gavin this has all been seen before. In the 80s. We’re you even born then? You are one useful idiot.
The names Girvin, I was born when Kennedy was prez and you can stay in the 80’s since your mind hasn’t progressed since then. You do kind of remind me of that song, people like you are nothing, have nothing, and contribute nothing.
Too stupid to spell “too”?
At twelve times the cost with 1/100th the output. Go sell crazy somewhere else. Sane people aren’t listening to your garbage anymore.
Go over to the TN Valley Authority web site and see what % of their power is made using that “other ways to generate electricity, like solar, wind, geothermal” that is so cheap.
There will be more electricity generated by coal that all of those other combined for decades to come.
Not if we change our focus, this country has done it before, only you guys don’t even want to try, very un-American.
You know there are more countries in the world than the US, right? As for “trying”, the US has been cleaning up it’s act for 40 years and the nagging wives club just keeps telling us that we are bad.
its been tried idiot….look at the turn of the last century..if it wirked they would have used it….go back to the 70’s..still not working…takes more energy to implement that crap ….IT IS NOT ECONOMICALLY DOABLE..LOOK AT SPAIN…..25% UNENJOYMENT….
The fertilizer that is used to grow crops to make alternative fuels come from oil and natural gas. Studies have shown it would be wiser to eat the crops rather than make fuel out of it. Don’t know why exactly a study had to be done……………..
Hippie Energy: is it worth massive subsidies? Only if hippies run on batteries, aye.
Are the massive subsidies we give to the oil companies worth it, if only conservatives ran on logic.
So here you are. There’s always a troll that posts nonsense to start arguments for the sheer sake of attention. We’re sorry your daddy didn’t pay enough attention to you, but this isn’t a free clinic.
That might be funny if it made any sense, which is probably not very often for you. I think I will get out of this pool of stupidity and rinse the ignorance off.
You’re stuck on stupid. I’m afraid it won’t rinse off.
u can fix ugly, but stupid runs to the bone….
it makes a lot of sense to me dummy…
The “Subsidies” are the same R&D credits given to any company that researches and develops new product and process’. The same given to wind and solar producers as well as the companies that employ them to create energy.
solindria, i wonder how many more of these scams were perpatraited on the public…of course the schools have educated to swallow this crap….good luck…
to repay the cronies that gave him money…double,triple…
If I’m not mistaken, the government makes more on a gallon of gas than the “big oil” companies do. For all the hard work they do… Taxes are the biggest scam ever perpetrated on the American public.
Hippie energy gets 25 times as much in subsidies, per btu, as does fossil fuel.
http://www.aei.org/publication/renewable-energy-sources-received-25-times-more-in-taxpayer-subsidies-per-energy-unit-produced-than-fossil-fuels-in-2010/
I have been a petroleum engineer for over 40 years. Please enumerate the ‘massive subsidies’ my industry receives from the benevolent government. I would be interested to finally find out what these massive subsidies are. I can’t seem to locate them on my balance sheet.
That’s good, coming from somebody who works for the oil industry.
What he means by “subsidies” is they get to claim deductions like any other business for such things as depreciation of property. To lib tards, that is a subsidy. To turn it on him, if he has exemptions on his tax returns, we are subsidizing his a$$.
They’re just a Google away, you obviously didn’t work in the accounting department.
Well since they don’t receive subsidies, your post is irrelevant. I think you need to go exercise with Harry Reid, hopefully you can meet the same fate he did.
They don’t receive subsidies? Pull your head out of your ass, the info is just a Google away. People that think like you are the ones who are becoming irrelevant.
get them to the food bank…
I’ll bet your a proud liberal. Policies have unintended consequences just like electric cars. Stupid people need to think before they post and if this is too hard just don’t post.
Consequences, there’s none with burning fossil fuels? like destroying the environment. And I’ll bet your an ignorant conservative, shortsighted and afraid of change like most.
I love seeing this absolutely asinine logic. How to wind generators and solar fields come into existence? Can you purchase seeds to sprinkle with water and out sprouts a windmill? People with zero logic of the manufacturing process should not interject about the subject of one source being more clean than the other.
Excellent point. It is sometimes an engineering “trade off”.
Well-burned fossil fuels have NO exhaust gases other than H2O and CO2.
That is exactly why they have classified CO2 as a hazardous waste that is destroying the planet. Capitalism must be extinguished no matter the method or pack of lies required to do the job.
Yes, which is politically criminal.
Greenhouses raising very profitable crops often *pump in* CO2 gas to elevate their yields.
that’s properly pronounced ‘Goober”.
isn’t that what plants use to live…..
No that’s not what plants use to live, they absorb it and convert it to o2, they need magnesium, phosphate and nitrogen to live, oops, I shouldn’t have said that, now you guys will want to drop some nitrogen bombs.
To answer your idiotic illogical question, of course they need to be manufactured and manufacturing windmills is a lot cleaner than building coal fired power plants.
Sure it is Dave.
Yeah then we can be like California. A billion windmills with only about 1/3 of them actually doing anything.
he must be a yuppie…wants to pay more so he feels goooooooooooooooooood about using…………………..
Since when does burning fossil fuels destroy the environment? oh, that’s what Al Gore told you. How many birds are your wind farms killing? Aren’t birds part of the environment?
Stick your head back in the sand fool, oh wait it’s saturated with oil.
The most recent government studies to be published suggest that gasoline combustion engines have a smaller carbon footprint than electric cars.
Rural America is fine. The cities need cleaning up. In more ways than just pollution.
why don’t u hump your laundry to the river…oops that is your wife…..fish don’t mind bio laundry soap……so u can bate more….
All that steel in a wind generator tower wasn’t smelted by a wind generator.
Only conservatives are saying it’s one or the other. As usual they prefer to take the easy shortsighted dead end road.
rather have a gas powered car than a coal car stuck on the pass in the middle of a snow storm w/ my kids……
Correct, that is why high-quality coal such as anthracite and bituminous should be preserved for future generations, if possible, if there is an alternative like nuclear for generating electricity.
Once the high quality coal is gone, electric-arc furnaces will be required for smelting.
Many US based smelters and foundries today have no other choice but to utilize arc furnaces due to the environmental restrictions. This is especially the case with newly constructed or renovated facilities. Of which we rarely see today. Another burden on a dwindling American employment provider.
Our children won’t be allowed to burn that coal either, climate change is a long term scheme.
Solar and wind are useless. I think that Nuclear power is the way to go..
Actually, no. In the correct region (sunny desert), solar does quite well.
My 8.8 kW system generated 15,556 kWH in one year, enough cool, heat, and run the house (fairly well insulated) – AND I sent 5,300 kWH back to the utility and was paid for it.
Of course, nuclear will definitely be needed by future generations in the coming centuries and millennia.
May work well in desert region, but won’t work well say in the north during winter time.. Plus the solar companies should not be getting any money from the Feds..
No, my worst months for generation were December and this month on January – lots of rain and clouds. They killed energy harvest from the sun.
It is AMAZING how much *more* powerful H2O is as a greenhouse gas. 😉
And us tax payers that assisted in subsidizing your system get paid back when?
No, I did NOT take any utility incentive (keeping my options open against utility requirements if you do) and I have NOT taken ANY Federal or State tax credits (no income taxes to pay).
The system will STILL pay fot itself in 20 years.
I built the system myself, got a city permit and made my own drawings.
That is to be very much respected. Many people should be as industrious. It is what made America great. (And nobody had to force your hand in doing so.) Props.
Are you getting paid back from subsidizing the oil companies?
The subsidy the oil companies receive is the same tax credit for R&D that is given to any company that researches and develops any new product or process. Same credits are given to those that produce wind and solar equipment as well as those that employ them.
Good point – you get more of whatever the U.S. Government subsidizes.
Too bad most of the addition to the national debt ($8+ trillion) did not directly subsidize new private-sector jobs.
One of the great downfalls of government is picking the winners and losers.
Agreed, except for the 20th century world wars, which certainly needed the correct winners, and were uncharacteristically Constitutional, when formally declared by the U.S. Congress.
they duz luv a lusa….create a crisis…..
In a sense yes. With plentiful supply and reasonable prices.
You’re an asshat, Dave. The federal government rakes in about $.18 per gallon of gas sold. Compared to the miniscule tax credits the oil producers get, the Feds are raping all of us. GFY!
that duz it..i’m movin to the desert…..
When your electric car runs out of electricity, go plug it into a solar turbine somewhere. Let me know how that goes.
In the next 50-80 years when the human population approaches 12 billion, fossil fuels will certainly be dwindling and there better be nuclear generation online.
who says that fossil fuels will be gone….
My brother, who worked for years as a computer programmer for several oil-exploration companies.
Oil wells replenishing themselves!
http://rense.com/politics6/replent.htm
Fly a plane on solar or geothermal…see how that works for ya!
Yes, the energy density of gasoline (mostly benzene) and diesel fuel is so incredibly dense (36.6 kWH heat energy for one gallon of gasoline) that if fossil fuels cannot be economically mined in the future, air travel for the average human will not be affordable in the coming centuries.
next thing u know…u’ll be down by the river, living in a van…..
If you would come out of your conservative “we can’t” bubble you might have heard about the solar powered plane that just circumnavigated the globe a couple weeks ago.
If you would pull your head out of that right wing bubble you live in you might be aware that a solar powered plane just circumnavigated the globe. How’s that work for ya!
I thought those were for farming subsidies from taxpayers.
Dave, do you have any idea how far behind we are on those technologies to be a viable replacement? By all means, I am for getting off dirty energy, but let’s work on the technology and make the switch without committing societal suicide.
Nobody’s saying we have to do it tomorrow but we need to start instead of ignorantly rediculing the science.
Yes, we do need to start now. We need to start perfecting the technology so that WHEN we make the switch from fossil to renewable it makes sense. What you are advocating is nothing short of national suicide. The technology isn’t there. Not by a long shot. Don’t tell me we need to start as in the government does. This is a job for private industry. Which can do it cheaper, quicker, and more efficiently. There is no emergency. That’s the political side of this scientific bate raring its ugly head and pulling on your heart strings. Don’t give in to fear mongering. Science keeps a cooler head. What you are seeing is nothing more than a collection of fools who have based their livelihood on government grants scurrying for cover while the rug is pulled out from under them. Nothing I’ve seen yet has explained the pause. CO2 and other so-called “greenhouse gases” have been on the rise in the previous 20 years, yet no warming. There literally is no emergency. The only real emergency we face today is geopolitical, not geothermal.
If the cost of oil keeps coming down, people will forget about alternatives. They’re too expensive and unreliable.
WHY DON’T U DO YOUR PART…PUT A WIND MILL IN YOUR FRONT YARD DUMMY…GO KILL SOME BIRDS AND THE NEIGHBORS WILL LOVE THE NOISE..THEIR IS NOTHING SO UGLY AS A HILLSIDE FULL OF WIND MILLS……PUTT,PUTT……………
I have been telling people that forever and it is why I would buy a plug in. Coal miners need jobs too! It didn’t take a study, it just took knowing how electricity is produced.
Electric cars support the coal industry that Obama hates. Funny how everything is backwards. Like when he says I hate guns it causes record gun sales. I’m honestly not sure if it’s his plan to do that or not.
We will be apologizing to the world for obama for decades, just like Germany has been for hitler.
But you guys say Obama is doing that now… for Bush.
Bush and Obama play for the same team and you support it my friend.
some cultures need to be rubbed out…
Have you seen how inept he is at everything he does? He’s probably the greatest Republican we’ve ever had. No one makes a case for Conservatism like Barack Obama.
Barack Obama is a criminal.
Well yeah, he got elected to public office didn’t he?
Yes, and one or two governors of my state were too, and were impeached and removed from office a few years ago, if I recall correctly.
You do recall correctly, the difference is they were criminals.
Obama has a long criminal history that was buried by the Chicago Democrat Machine.
Owww, spooky!
Wouldn’t impeachment be neat?
Only in delusional twisted minds, so why don’t you impeach him?
I am not a member of the U.S. Congress.
The corrupt Democrat U.S. Senators would not impeach Obama even if he were caught committing a felony.
The right is in control now, let’s see how far that goes. And I’ve noticed many more repubs up for corruption charges lately than dems.
Power and money corrupts. The most difficult thing to do in life is to maintain one’s own integrity.
He has committed multiple felonies while in office… which makes your point!
Why don’t you mention a few?
That’s RACIST !!!
He did achieve everything conservatives said that they would do, gas below $2.50, unemployment under 6%, GDP growth 5%, only they said they could do it by 2016. I don’t know why they have a problem with him… oh right, there’s that one.
if you beleive those numbers, you may as well believe in unicorns
What is with this fascination with unicorns so many of you have.
Unicorns are more of a reality than obamba loving this country!
You guys are the america haters, you hate everything about it, along with minorities, gays, women, science, pretty much everything that’s not like you, it’s nice that you love unicorns so much, they don’t threaten your fragile mentalities.
How do you know that, Davey boy ? Are you one of them ?
You guys have Zombies we like Unicorns.
Ask a young black man in Detroit about that unemployment number fabricated by the administration.
Of course black youth have a much higher unemployment rate than any other ethnicity, I wonder why that is?
U.S. Jobs 2007: 138,350,000 (at the peak)
U.S. Jobs 2014: 139,225,000
This is LESS than one million NEW jobs above the peak in 2007.
The real unemployment rate is 23%.
The real inflation rate is 9%.
Real GDP growth is ZERO or negative.
(John Williams – ShadowStatsDotCom)
And most of those jobs are part-time and have been filled by illegals!
2007 when bush still had 2 years in office, right before we started losing 750,000 jobs a month? Of course THOSE BOOKS WERE COOKED, if I say it enough I’ll start to believe it, seems to work for you guys.
Shows you what a DIM OL’ CRAP Congress will do !!
Under obama’s regime we also have the highest number of people not in the workforce, record numbers on welfare, higher food costs, higher electricity costs, near destruction of health care, ISIS, record debt, a corrupt IRS, drone murders, a couple wars, mass surveillance, CIA torture, I could go on and on… Ya, we should all be thanking Barry for a job well done. He is a tool…
Just reported on Drudge, new Medicaid enrollees younger, fitter and in need of addiction treatment………..
Instinct tells me that free health care is for the hippies that lounged about spreading free-love, stds and drugs, need meds to treat their twisted minds in their weathered days, which they can’t afford.
Best part: Barry’s the poster (poser?) boy for the failures of Socialism and Communism. Mix in Narcissism and a little brain damage and the rest of the world will remember him via the internet. The U.S. isn’t a country for hand-outs, it’s the country for making profits – all the others coming here (and they keep coming, mind you) want the same thing as our forefathers did: Liberty! Pursuit of Happiness! Life! Somehow, they just don’t believe the lefts’ lies. Namaste”
The Saudis are the ones who have brought the oil prices down. Do you understand that gas at 2.00 a gallon will hurt our economy?
like t.v. get subs from gov…u have to wait for your channels to change,can’t get some channels,and a bubble telling u to wait…gees, we need to go back to bunny ears…a giant step backwards….that is what gov. run tv is all about…thru the cable companies….can’t get a credit for no service…
Give up tv, I did it 2 years ago and life is good…
What are you talking about?! Everyone knows that electricity comes out of holes in the wall. Coal plants just produce pollution, nothing else.
Its the same with welfare. The money comes out of the welfare office when they print those checks. As long as they don’t run out of checks there will be plenty of money for everyone!
Simple minded brainwashed fool, I know that was sarcasism but it shows the way you think.
So who’s the simple minded, brainwashed fool…David!
That would be you… Rascal!
(1) To “HATE”. one must have a decisive intellect and an analyrical (judgemental) psyche. (2) Ubama “hates” what his handlers COMMAND him to “hate”.
Some clown calling himself leftwingrightbrain thinks that education in the U.S. is free. Perhaps he’s looking for a circus or he’s a tosser from a director’s cut. Either way, writes angry words, like he’s defending something he saw on TV or a reality show!
the car’s lifespan will expire several times over before you ever get a return on investment as far as fuel price goes
And if you have to replace the batteries, we’re talking $6G to $7G. Let’s see how that goes for used cars.
EV batteries are THE biggest cost and obstacle to affordable EVs.
U MEAN THE HOLE IN THE WALL…HAS NO FAIRY DUST….MAYBE the down loaded masses r in the walls snorting magic markers…(dilbert)
Many electric and hybrid hippie cars are sitting en masse on asphalt lots, hated and unsold. The WH freak wants a way to force feed them to unwilling buyers.
They are manufactured to create an average mpg to balance the profitable vehicles that people by the most: pickups and SUVs.
The media I follow covered it, but more of in a “I’m sorry to tell you something you already know” kindda way.
People who drive hybrids and electric cars are using our roads and bridges but are not paying their fair share. We support our infrastructure with the gas tax. These rich liberal elites who can afford them are the first ones to say we need to increase the gas tax knowing they don’t have to pay it. All hypocrites.
You think that’s bad, wait til the bill for your health care comes after breathing polluted air your whole life. And what’s happened with our infrastructure for the last 40 years, nothing.
Best to know what in air is hazardous, and what is not hazardous.
CO2 is not.
CO, NO, and SO2 are, but CO and NO have short half-lives in the presence of sunlight.
Particulates encountered in the workplace or elsewhere are *much* more worrisome.
Hey…. quit trying to bring objectivity into the debate!!!
Co2 in high amounts is hazardous, but just keep telling yourself that.
In the history of life on the earth, CO2 has NEVER attained levels that are hazardous.
During the Jurassic Period 150-200 million years ago, the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere was estimated to be 1950 ppm, which is 4-5 times *greater* than the modern concentration of 400 ppm. The average earth surface temperature was only 3 degrees C greater than the modern average temperature.
And what happened to all the animals at the end of the Jurassic period?
Some of the animals are extinct. Apparently, the mammals survived.
So global warming must have killed the dinosaurs off! LOL
So do everyone a favor and stop breathing it out.
Oxygen in high amounts is hazardous as well. I suppose we should cut down on oxygen production by your idiotic logic.
And don’t forget the controllable gases coming out of China, India, Brazil…
Shovel ready…Obama is solving that problem.
Funny, I think Obamacare is actually one of his shovel ready jobs. Cheaper than paying for your surgery.
Shovel ready jobs? Infrastructure spending in the stimulus, remember the signs at construction area’s on the highway? I do, and so do a lot of other people, where did the hundreds of billions of our tax money go? They squandered it and now they want more. I’d rather drive on dirt roads than give one more dime of tax money to those corrupt bastards.
Shovel ready jobs meant cleaning up all the manure this corrupt administration excretes daily!
they also love to use other peoples’ electricity
Well don’t tell them where you keep your electricity
U FINALLY GOT IT….THEY R HELPING THE MIDDLE CLASS,DON’T U KNOW………………
….right off a cliff!
Do no worry yourself about this. The politicians will see to it that EVs are taxed to the hilt. Never fear, it is a taxation opportunity that will not be wasted.
coal is less fuel efficient and is less energy-dense than oil…but try telling that to an electric car user – they think electricity is free and generated by unicorn farts.
Even when gas was 3 dollars a gallon, the economic payback rate is 3-4 times the lifespan of the car itself; they cannot pay themselves off in fuel saving unless gas is over 12 dollars a gallon
You’ve been inhaling to many unicorn farts. It’s obvious you don’t understand the real cost of oil.
Look at all that evidence you provided to prove me wrong.
tell us how 9/11 was an inside job, while you’re at it
Most electric cars are on the west coast where we use very little coal power.
Ethanol has a terrible shelf life, perhaps one to two weeks tops. Electric cars are hard to clean up after too, talk about toxic waste and battery acid spills. The enviros news champions have those stories hidden pretty well too. (shh, don’t tell them there’s an internet)
Electric cars are coal powered cars. Electricity and hydrogen, darlings of the tree-hugger class ARE NOT SOURCES OF ENERGY, THEY ARE ENERGY TRANSPORT MEDIA. Solar and wind are unreliable miliwatt sources of energy. the only place you are going to get the energy necessary to GENERATE electricity and hydrogen is from hydrocarbons and nuclear sources. Period. For ever. Unfortunately the government educated population is too ignorant of that fact to affect any change in the narrative so I am reconciled to paying Gov. Moonbeam’s Carbon Tax here in the People’s Republik of Kalifornia. I only have to do that until I retire from my oilfield job where I make obscene amounts of money, then I will move to Texas and leave this hell-hole to the illegal immigrants to wallow in.
No, in the *sunny desert*, photovoltaic modules are quite reliable and generate HUGE amounts of electricity.
NO! Those photovoltaic modules are made from…..wait for it……PETROLEUM products and will never produce more energy than they required to be built, transported, installed, maintained…etc., etc. Never mind the environmental disaster of smoking millions of birds that fly into the glaring reflection of those panels.
NO! The Energy-return on Energy-invested (ERoEI) for PV modules is 20:1.
Can you name the single item used in the manufacture of PV modules, that uses the MOST petroleum? Bet you can’t. This is a test of your knowledge.
That may be the return on the building of the unit itself. But the fact is the cost to purchase and install all the equipment can never be recouped. You could spend $50000 installing a decent system. And the systems tend to become less efficient after 10-15 years and may well need to be replaced…another investment. Technology isn’t there yet. And the cost (short of government subsidy) is prohibitive.
An 8.8 kW system can be installed on a three-tab shingle roof for about $22,000. That is the system I have and it is *quite* decent, for the sunny desert.
The rated degradation on my *monocrystalline* U.S. manufactured panels is 0.7% per year. Their *proven lifetime* is at least 50 years. After 50 years, they will be producing at 65% of rated output.
They are rated to survive the impact of a 50 mph one-inch hailstone. I had a half-inch hail storm last March.
These people still think solar is what it was in the 70’s, remember the idiot who took out the solar panels in the White House?
Yes, silicon PV module (solar panel) efficiencies are now 19% (for affordable modules).
The theoretical efficiency limit for silicon cells is 30-33%.
You are confusing solar panels with reflector arrays. Solar panels aren’t going to roast flying birds.
I live in the Southern San Joaquin Valley of Kalifornia, probably the best place for solar power in any inhabited area of the US and we installed solar on our roof last April. We did it because our summer power bill was hitting $800/month. It has pretty much zeroed out our power bill but trust me, it is not economic compared to decently price conventional power. Our electric rates are being screwed up by the PUC and Moonbeam Brown’s idiot tree-hugger policies which skew utility prices horribly upward by at least two-fold over the cost of generation. And even in our drought stricken area which has clear skies for the vast majority of time, there are enough overcast days (and even if there weren’t, winter months with the low sun only produce about 30% of max power) that we must supplement heavily with utility power to make ends meet. In other words, if you went 100% solar, you still need 100% installed backup generating power. Then there are the 14 hours of dusk/night that cause real problems. Solar is not and never will be more than a small supplemental source of power.
Agreed. California electric rates are so high, I understand, it could be profitable to pay someone to peddle an exercise bicycle with an attached generator (LOL).
For comparison with your system:
I harvested 15,556 kWH in last year with a well-designed 8.8 kW system (almost no shading). The overcast months (right after you lose your NEM credits after being paid) are the most difficult, though.
Near 12 noon (peak sun from the South), I routinely get 6+ kW production. However, high temperatures reduce production by -0.40% per degree C over 25 degrees C, cell temperature.
Your system is just slightly smaller than mine. Mine is rate 9.7kw best I got in June was about 7.8kw. Diurnal and seasonal variations just make it not practical. Sounds sexy but Americans are used to and deserve power at their fingertips. There is no technical or economic reason we can’t have all the energy we need to drive this engine of liberty for ever. We don’t have energy problems, we have government problems. Energy is what made us the miracle country that we are (plus a pretty good constitution) and to throw that away for some crazy tree-hugger fairytale is sinful. I’ve notice the heat problem too. we get our best 15 minute report right after a cloud goes by when the panels are coolest, sun is brightest. Plus in our dusty climate I have to go up and wash them off a couple times a week during the summer. I am an engineer and love fooling with tech like this but it isn’t economic and fairly high maintenance.
WE WILL JOIN THE REST OF THE GLOBE…PESTILENCE,ILLITERACY,CLASS WARFARE,NO BORDERS, SOCIAL JUSTICE…NOW AMERICA CAN BE JUST AS COMMON AS AFRICA, THE MIDDLE EAST WHERE ISRAEL IS THE ONLY BRIGHT LIGHT…….WE JUST NEED A BOKA HAREEM RADICALS TO COMPLETE TO COMMONALITY..AND MOOCHIE SAD FACE W/CARD BOARD MESSAGE SAVE OUR GIRLS SHE MUST HAVE BEEN CONFUSED ITS NOT ABOUT HER KIDS(WHICH THOSE ILLITERATE RATS CAN’T READ)MAYBE SHE SHOULD HAVE HAD VALLERI JERRIT DO ONE IN ARABIC….WILL WORK FOR FOOD……
Ore the coal the power plants use to generate electricity.
Church of Al Gore and the Carbon Tax scam!
http://www.globalresearch.ca/more-than-1000-international-scientists-dissent-over-man-made-global-warming-claims/5403284
NASA is a big fat giant money sucking HOAX run by a bunch of Jokers and Liars. …… Oh, and the moon landings. Real as Micky Mouse…….And we have the proof….Google this….. Wellaware1.
People, please do not google what Isaac1 (aka Robert Govan) asks, or go to his looney tune website.
He is completely delusional.
Do not waste one second of your time.
Listen up patriots…. What the 2% shows us on the tv and in the “news” is a false reality. The news they give you is fake. It’s entertainment. It’s a show. The news is fabricated with actors. You live in an actor based reality. You are under their mind control and under their spell since birth. They control you through their mass media, alternative media (Alex Jones, David Icke) and Hollywood. NOTHING they tell you is real. ISIS is a HOAX. All of the beheadings are fake. “Climate religion” is a hoax. Your politicians and officials are ACTORS. Obama is the son of Richard Pryor. Michelle is his half sister Rain Pryor. To see who the 2% are that rule you just look at my profile (click on my name) ……….You are welcome.
I think you stepped on your thorazine drip line again. Go find a doctor to replace it.
Take the red pill.
It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, or when go to church or when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
That you are a slave, Like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. Unfortunately, no one can be told what it is. You have to see it for yourself. This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back.
You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. Remember — all I am offering is the truth, nothing more.
we are watching you
You should probably just shoot yourself, I’m sure you have a gun.
Go back to your internet game Dave, otherwise you might just blow your top. Cool down. Can it. Relax. Cause the boogey man’ll gitcha iffen ya don’t watch out !!
Why so much hate , Dave?
REALLY………HOW COULD THEY..PUFF….SNORT, LOOSEN UP THE BAND ON MY ARM,COUGH,COUGH….
TROLL ALERT. This isaac111 character is a nut bag troll.
Go suck a tailpipe
LOL get bent, Isaac
Gino, stop pooping the party. That website is probably the most fun the majority of these commentators are going to have this week.
Crank up the crazy and rip the knob off, congrats!
Coo coo…
NO PABLO AND MARIA….
Stop helping. We don’t need glowbull warming scammers pointing to the likes of you to aid their scams.
ACHIEVE THE SAME RESULTS AS SHARIA LAW….WOMEN HUMPING LAUNDRY DOWN TO THE RIVER….WHILE THE MEN BEAT OFF TO PORN IN THE HUTS…WOMEN ARE MUTILATED…SO IF U CAN’T GET SATISFIED…OK TO GAB A BOY…..A FOSTER BOY……..
I thought NASA’s job now was sucking up to muslims…
Isn’t that incredibly hard to believe, but oh so true!
It’s no doubt hard to separate “NASA” from the highly politicized “OBAMA NASA” now…. what a shame!
no…they are tasked with spreading the good if Islam…remember Obama …ahhhhh bacon…and ham…and baby back ribs!
We went to the moon dude. Plenty of real conspiracies but here you just lend credence to those selling the lies. Aside from the LEM it required no more than the flights to the station.
Good shot!
“COOL!”
Why don’t you people care about the unicorns? The unicorns are dying off at a alarming rate and their only source of nutrition, rainbows are being attacked by global warming. If it wasn’t for George Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Republicans, tea party members, big oil, big coal, the Koch brothers and capitalism the unicorns would have a fighting chance. Many inner city children will never enjoy the unicorns and that is racist. Thank Allah we have a green warrior president who has surrounded himself with the greatest climate scientists like Al Gore George Soros and Leonardo Dicaprio. They know the unicorn waste and farts are the greenest of energies. The unicorns waste to energy program will create trillions of shove ready jobs and will save gazillions of dollars a year. Let’s save the unicorns, for the children.
And don’t get me started on the effects it is having on the pixie dust supply and elf population.
So sad indeed!
When elves move into your neighborhood, they bring down property values. Their kids running around after dark shooting arrows at barking dogs and stray cats, you know.
Q: Why is “diversity” and “multiculturalism” demanded in All white populations & Only white populations?
A: Diversity means Chasing Down the Last White Person.
Racial/cultural elimination is the white “privilege”.
Q: Why don’t Self-Proclaimed “anti-racists” attack the “racist” immigration and social policies of, say, Japan? Korea? Mexico?
A: Anti-racist is a Codeword for Anti-White
white ge no cide project dot com
Twitter: #white gen oc ide #antiwhite
#whitelivesmatter
SAY IT LOUD WHITE LIVES MATTER…………………………….GOT IT.
you’re a moron
Q. Why is bringing race into a discussion of science an indication of racism?
A. Because race is irrelevant to the topic of science. Race is not a scientific category.
Well said.
Your right,property values plummet when those efin bastards move in.
Not true…not true I say…
really, everybody knows it was a doughnut shop.
I saw elvis and Jim morrison at a gas station and they said it was too hot so global warming must be true.
ALL LEGAL…EXCEPT MAYBE THE POP…..
I am sure all of the fairy dust will be at the Supreme Court as the world waits with bated breath and anxiety as the Nine Nerds decide what perversion between two men is.
Yeah, the same nine that said a baby is tissue that can be legally ripped from the mothers womb, and that the Ten Commandments shouldn’t be in schools because students might be tempted to follow them. Yeah the same bozos that said forcing Americans to buy a product (obambacare) is constitutional will now decide if perversion and deviance is normal and worthy of “Holy” matrimony. Surely today evil is called good and good is called evil by the SCOTUS!
Do you have auto insurance? Are you going to take care of an unwanted child that will most likely grow up in poverty? Are you going to allow the Koran in your schools? The constitution will decide that people with deviant, perverted minds, like you, aren’t going to decide who can marry who.
arent you the pot calling the kettle black….deviant? Next will you legalize marrying your dog? I think yes you will deviant libtard
You make no sense, like most tea bagging fools, if you want to marry your dog it’s none of my business, it might improve your blood line.
Childish, and immature. Are you over 12 years old, or just high on the list of HATERS?
Grow up you silly fool.
How on earth can you equate two humans marrying with a human and an animal? Are you the same kind of person that equates being Gay as being a pedophile. I think the people with the best record of deviance are the religious ones who think that they can foist their beliefs on populations of whole countries. Only a few steps away from stoning people for not believing. Religion was invented in the dark ages (Except the more recent ones that saw a money making and or control making opportunity) To keep people under control of a particular group. The inherent denial most people have that when they die they cease to exist anywhere just like before they were conceived. Has led to catastrophic harm on our planet. and will get worse NOT better unless our leaders grow some balls. Sticking your nose into someone else’s marriage is one of the consequences of that. If you believe that somehow, Gay people wanting the same rights as you already have is somehow taking away from what you have. You are seriously immature and insecure!
Why would anyone legalize you and your partner!
You are a fool. It sounds to me like you’re the deviant here.
Wow I always , as a kid, thought that SCOTUS had something to do with SCROTUM.
And you were right.
If only they had the baIIs to follow the Constitution.
You are correct, less the balls to do what was the US Constitutions original intent!
Forgot your meds today!
Speaking of the 9 pervert Justices and their decisions on two queers can marry ,what is to say I cannot have two or three wives( beautiful women like Sara Brightman, Helene Fisher ect. ) along with the beautiful sweetheart I am currently married to….haven’t checked that out with her , yet!
Don’t be a cotton-headed ninnymuggins.
True. But, it seems that the trolls have been very busy…
It is no surprise that Thomas Paine is dead.
Capitalism (and those you mentioned) killed him as surely as it has killed everyone (except for those currently alive, whom it will kill in time) whio has lived under its evil regime.
Capitalism and evil industry with its smoke and such.
In fact. Just smoke. And breath and farts.
Maybe just breathing and farting.
Yes, global cooling for the children…
hand out the bunson burners and the weenie roasting stick…via jimmy carter…lets shoot soot into the atmosphere….
There are still unicorns in North Korea.
Uh uh. They ate them.
More precisely, “GOOK UNIKORNS”
Not only stupid but racist…
And Dave you are such a kind and considerate person too.
Usually, but not when it comes to racist haters, and you?
You are a Trollicorn, and you have been this way before, and you get paid to do what you are doing here. So now that everyone is on to you, stop wasting our time, and The DNCs money.
Being judgmental equals closed mindedness and lack of a logical thought process.
You have such an open mind being ok with all those racist comments? You fit right in with the people making them.
shut up, slope head.
Those that have their faces flattened with a fryin pan.
A racist bigoted black man, how quaint, thanks for your input Uncle Tom.
Get the drift yet? No body here seems to LIKE you PERIOD! Go away to where you will be welcomed, at a radical liberal site.
That’s your problem, you live in a hateful little bubble where only people that think like you can get in.
I support racism of unicorns.
Can I get an Amen?
@ Dave — Nothing racist intended, and only seemingly ‘stupid’ to you if you don’t know what a ‘GOOK UNIKORN’ is. Have a good day.
Clearhead is a good tag for you since your head seems to be clear of any thought or knowledge, like the word “gook”, just so you know it’s a racist reference toward Asian people, I am a bit surprised you know a little about mythical Asian paleontology.
Libtards worry too much dave lighten up have a slurpee
Well, Davey boy, let me explain: Once I strightened out the sentence structure in your ‘comment’ so I could see what you probably were trying to say, it became apparent to me that you hadn’t read “Punditator’s” comment above, referring to North Korean unicorns. When you ‘Googled’ “gook” you missed one of the explanations there that the term “gook” was first used by U.S. Marines. You further missed that it was used extensively during the Korean “police action” as a derogatory term toward the North Korean enemies of the world. If you’ve ever set foot in North Korea (which obviously you haven’t), you would understand the use of the phrase. So, just continue your judgmental denigrations and try to be happy. I do sincerely wish you well. Semper Fi.
Anyone that trots out the race card in any conversation gets ignored by me and most others.
John, pay attention, racist comments made, someone says something about it and they’re pulling the race card? Kind of backwards thinking, no?
POTUS sits on a Unicorn horn in the Oval Office. Makes him smile.
That’s Michelle’s lap he’s sitting on, and that’s not a unicorn horn….
You need to get that checked before it gets infected.
“Is that a unicorn horn or are you just glad to see me?”
Unicorns and dragons shouldn’t have missed the ark….
Hahaha…Unicorn Poop creates shovel ready jobs…so obvious it’s brilliant!
Aaahhhh…. it’s “for the children”! Hey, case closed!
Yeah fuck the children. Something everyone can get behind right
Sounds like another Bill Clinton pedo-weekend.
Hillary told him no underage sex slaves till after the election. Then they’ll share one.
She actually said ‘erection’, so it’s gonna be awhile as Hillary is a complete boner killer.
On Saturday Night Live, Gilda Radner said “Flea Erections,” rather than “Free Elections.” I’m sure they’re the same thing….
Since 30 million babies have been ” f88ked” as you so crudely put it doing for the children coming from the likes of Hilary Clinton woul;d make a dog puke.
BTW do you know where that “Doing it for the children” that Hilary use to spout came from??
As the story goes a lefty black woman named Edelman told Cankles I mean Hillary “Doing it for the poor” is worn out and has no cachet so she suggested the ” Doing it for the children ” to sway stupid pole to support the slave holders and their policies, e.g Democrats.
Grow up.
Cankles, what the hell is that?big ankles that resemble cans?please elaborate
Websters 101 for dummies: Cankles…the combing of calves and ankles on hideously ugly women. ie, Hillary.
You meant to say Cackle …right? …to laugh like a witch?
A lot of our politician f@#k the children, ask Clinton’s buddy Jeff Epstein.
I’m guessing one need go no further than Clinton himself.
Its for the taxes, er, uh, CHILDREN! Yes! Yes! The lies are for the children!
Only if it really were for the children. PS: Children make excellent political, libtard props unless they are being aborted by the same libtards, in which case, they could make a case for a self imposed, prop shortage. See what I’m saying?
When you talk about the Obozos great climate scientists, do not forget the Pimp Sharpton.
Leonardo Dicaprio drives a massive rv, takes a plane from Manhattan to the Hamptons to avoid traffic, and we all saw him take a 500 ft yacht to go watch soccer
I too forgot the unicorns. Thank you so much for an outstanding comment, listing the long list of racial infractions against narrow minded anti-unicornists.
We need an Al Sharptacorn to lead us politically out of Big everything.Big oil/pharma/Ag/
Big big big & big that. Those evil republicans and the bush hierarchy and let’s not forget illuminutcases, Halliburton, etc
Will you share your meds with me too?
There are no black unicorns. THAT’s racist! No unicorn ghettos. WTF? Damn cracka’ unicorns be keepin’ da unibrutha’s down!
LOL!
LOOKS LIKE THE GUY FROM JERI JOHNSON…..(REDFORD)…………FROOZENGLAZIAN
Love that picture.
WE had the coolest summer in a long time here in the Midwest flyover country..
I only wish this picture were real and President Fecal Nugget was frozen next to him!
I’m sorry, but it just leaves me cold.
Just chill man.
My girlfriend told me about a great way to make $2900 per week by claiming to be scientist and spewing hot air to the gutter-like media on behalf of the progressive agenda at NASA, the democratic party, the UN, Brussels, the Vatican and the seamy bowels of western academia.
At least there’s one thing the ‘musslemen’ have right: Drill Baby Drill.
My problem with this topic – real scientist would not focus purely on “supply” of plant food (CO2) but would equally focus on the demand – PLANTS that consume CO2… OH yeah, they also would not manipulate their data to show the view they want, nor change their prediction from 1970’s of “New Ice Age” to a “Global Warming”
Hard to believe he was VP, but then again we now have Biden. Leave it to the democrats.
Now if someone would just take a 9 iron to the idiots frozen head.
Best picture I ever saw of him!
Most ugly slow Prius I see has a dumb Obama sticker on it! I always ride their a sses one day I’m going to ram them.
You should have your teeth kicked down your throut, you punk azz b itch. I would take your black tinted window Dodge away from you violently, and run you over with it.
And where do they think the electricity for those cars comes from?
Obama should have gotten a parrot for a pet. It’s only fitting and it doesn’t need a plane to fly. The reason why he didn’t is because he didn’t want it blurting out at the wrong time what it heard behind closed doors.
Liberals need to stop being hypocrites and stop acquiring and using anything related to fossil fuels. Stop using computers, stop using electrical or gasoline powered vehicles of any type. Stop purchasing anything that gets to market by these types of vehicles! Don’t eat anything that is processed and or any plants that comes from seeds delivered to a store. Do not use credit cards and or watch tv or use any kind of electronic equipment. Just stop being hypocrites and move to a cave and dress in animal skins and you will have more credibility!
Nobodies saying that you simple minded fool, except brainwashed conservatives repeating Fox News fear mongering.
Nobodies? When you call out someone as simple minded….make sure you are not spelling words wrong or placing commas in incorrect locations. LMAO. You must have your Master’s Degree in Stupidity. Lefty troll.
More loving kindness from the oh so tolerant caring left! .. must of hit a nerve with the hypocrite.
Actually, multiple studies have come out to show that Hybrids and purely electric cars are worse for the environment than gasoline combustion engines.
Interestingly, Snopes who use Ignoratio Elenchi constantly to justify FALSE would call this false. Why? Because the dog was not sent on Air Force One but on another plane ergo to Snopes this is FALSE.
Ignoratio Elenchi is where they find one irrelevant fact to the report that may be wrong and therefore claim the entire report is FALSE. Snopes hopes we do not read further into the article than FALSE. Check them out…it is amazing how many times this is used by them. If you want the truth just Google and read all the reports and forget Snopes.
The point being the darned dog was sent separately by plane to their vacation destination!
One jumbo jet transpacific flight burns enough to fuel a month of average commutes for everyone in a small city of 250k. If they were really serious the first thing to go would be air travel.
OR TO PICK UP ANOTHER BAG OF DIRTY GREASY MONEY…HASN’T FIGURED OUT AUTODEPOSITE………………
That is indeed my FAVORITE and BEST revelation about the “global warming fraud”…. IF it’s so “real and threatening” why are the global warming gods, Obama and Gore, so cavalier about jetting helter skelter all over belching CO2 – I’d bet we could all change our lamps 4 or 5 times to LEDs and not compensate for the Obama vacation safaris. (Yes, I know, multiple changes is BS, but hey, we are in the realm of BS here…). Orwell’s Animal Farm and 1984 are no longer fiction, of course they weren’t when Orwell wrote them after visiting his erstwhile leftist liberal dream society (the USSR) and saw the realities first hand. Yeah, I know… the “new” leftists liberals are just warm and fuzzy folk – would never, ever use the powers of govt like the IRS and NSA against the citizens!
gibe you…what do you want him to fly in smart guy?
Wait until the batteries need to be replaced or disposed of, there will be gnashing of teeth and screams about the cost.
Yeah, drive a hybrid in public and a gas guzzler or private jet on the QT.
No lie is too stupid for GiveMeLiberty to try to push.
“Once again, Bo did not have the aircraft to himself. According to an August 10th article by CBS News, he travelled with White House Staff, media and Secret Service. “
I begin to think that they believe “e-cars” run on magic. The electricity must be generated somewhere.
Also, ask them where they are getting all that energy to charge their hybrids.
NEVER take your eyes off of what the illegal occupier is doing, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. He CREATES distractions INTENTIONALLY.
We will CRUSH you with our science! MmWAHAHAHAhahaha….
“Science”.
Dah Dah Daaaaaaaah Dah…SCIENCE!!!
The march of the…Tin Foil Hats Army!
Media Matters troll. Even you must realize that a claim of a temp rise of 1/25 of a degree is statistically insignificant. That means no change in temp since 2005 by your own data. There’s nothing there. Just an idiot headline generated for the those who don’t read beyond the headline.
I think you’re confused! Where BOTH preaching to the choir! I’m on your side mmmkay!
I am confused. In July 2014 NASA & NOAA reported that record lows out pacing highs… Is this why they have pushed everyday math in order to limit critical thinking? Sounds like they propaganda depts need to talk first or use NSA’s data.
Factual data will only confuse the Global Warmer Goobers! Trust me…they treat garbage statistics like a Bible…
The next big move is to start claiming that the warming is occurring in the Ocean. They are starting to say: Ocean temps and deep Ocean temps are ‘the hottest on record’ as if they have a robust long term record of underwater temperatures.
They can basically say anything they want and the rubes will just buy in.
Of course, you have to ignore most of the Laws of Thermodynamics to claim that all the missing heat is being sucked out of the atmosphere into the oceans… but the left is sciencey.
Joseph Goebbels could take plays out of the envirocommies playbook, these people are something else. (dangerous). On a serious note, these people are driving this country into destruction full speed, our education system is failure and the health system is on life support; and these clowns are worried about something that won’t happen in 300 years.
Government scientists will say whatever obama tells them to say.
Follow the money!…
Stupid is still clinging to erroneous mathematical models and twisting facts to suit theories, rather than twisting theories to suit the facts. It is sad to see what the climate scientists have done to the scientific method through their continued intellectual dishonesty. That truly is a special kind of stupid…
BINGO! Now lets watchthe Global Warmers go into mud slinging rage!
As Jonathon Gruber noted, lying is the way you get the rubes to buy in.
Even taking their data at face value, they claim that the previous years for “highest temperature ever” was a tie between 2005 and 2010.
2014 is higher by….. drum roll…. 1/25 of a degree.
That’s right. 0.04 degrees.
That’s WAY BELOW the margin of error.
So in other words, the temperature has been completely flat since 2005, no warming in a decade. THAT’S WHAT THEIR OWN DATA SHOWS.
I quote Morano: “Claiming 2014 is the “hottest year” on record based on hundredths of a degree temperature difference is a fancy way of saying the global warming ‘pause’ is continuing.”
That’s the actual headline. Not HOTTEST YEAR ON RECORD. But no statistically discernible change in a decade or more. Temperature flat.
When I heard that 2014 was 1/25th of a degree hotter I….stocked up on sunscreen! 8-}
It’s all a massive global conspiracy! Makes perfect sense!
When you’re talking goverment overreach, fear mongering, hysteria, power, command and control…YUP! It quite easily can be billed as a global conspiracy! The amount of money changing hands for this pseudo-science is staggering! And the amount of “buy-in” from an unsuspecting public…breathtaking! Thankfully, the intellectual skeptics are now being heard and their numbers are growing…There’s still time to expose this “Invoneient Truth!”
This kind of a pathological lie is usually reserved only for psychopaths who will do anything to trick us into surrendering control of our lives to them. Are these guys psychopaths or are they beholden to the behind-the-scenes psychopaths who control their purse strings?
Tinfoil hats are definitely a good idea!
Good questions…I don’t have a certain answer. Do you?
yeah you can you can kill them!!!
why do you think the politicians are trying to cut education funding?
But you can fix CORRUPT. A lead injection tends to cure that.
…or, greedy!
I think they’re going under the premise of, “Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.”
It appears to work for the current administration and their clueless devotees! Why not with junk science? 😉
You’re the GRUBER not the FOX crowd, remember that son.
?????
LIKE THE WEATHER FREAKS FROZEN IN A BOAT I THINK IN THE ANTARTIC…..HAVE TO SEND IN A SHIP TO RESCUE THEM….INSANITY….THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN EVERYONE IS ENCOURAGED TO GO TO COLLEGE…….
Not only 1, but 3 ships got stuck in the ice trying to save those morons. They finally got rescued by helicopters from either china or Russia.
The whole world was laughing at them.
Of course, they’ll keep on pounding away with their dogma in a vain attempt to get everybody to believe them….
They have latched onto the old nazi trick of telling a huge lie & keep repeating it often enough until everyone starts to believe it…
I don’t think its working out for them this time….
kazoo….they r teaching this crap in schools…like the muslims teaching their kids to hate infidels (jews) some cultures need to be rubbed out……
Yes indeed.
I’m sure that right after it became apparent that the U.S. was going to be the dominant country, certain element began scheming to get their hands on the levers of power and steer the narrative in a direction of their choosing.
The education system has been a target ever since. It’s rotten with leftists…
they r teaching our kids this crap….like teaching muslim kids to hate infidels (jews)some cultures need to be rubbed out…its either them or us….
Libs are tireless.
They never get tired of being wrong.
They never get tired of being made a fools of by lib politicians.
The never get tired of lying.
I mean think about it. The leading Obamacare architect has come right out it was all a lie from the start. Went on to say they needed their supporters stupid to get their agenda passed. Did democrats get pissed about being played for suckers? No they got mad at Gruber because it gave a sound byte to the GOP!
Yet millions of moronic leftists still think Obamacare is going to save them money and lower costs.
Look how long global warming has been proven to be a hoax yet they continue to live the lie. Every single prediction they have made has been dead wrong. EVERY SINGLE ONE! Hell odds would be they might have a few come true out the hundreds of predictions but they could not even get one right.
A bunch of the gruberites are already whining about being suckered.
Wait till the employer mandate kicks in & they start getting laid off or having their hours shaved back to part time…
That ought to be about election time in 2016….
The anti-science libs have lost the American people with their lies.
Did you read the article. 18 year halt in the change. “The satellites show an 18 year plus global warming ‘standstill and the satellite was set up to be “more accurate” than the surface records.” Why are we stupid and not you? There is no real evidence except from agenda driven institutions. Wake up and smell the real world. Really when you get down to the reality of it all, the climate on earth has been in flux since it was formed billions of years ago. The idea that we can influence the climate is a non starter. Ice ages come and go, we have no control over those things.
careful libber…that vein across your temple is about to…POP!
Zzzzzzzz
I like how they say that this warming period must be due to man and the odds of it being natural was 650 million to one. Unfortunately if they look at their own temperature charts and go back only 150,000 years, the planet was warmer, before it descended into a long cold streak, broken only in the last 12-15000 years. This is where the Flood myths all come from.
While they sit in their tax payer offices laughing their butts off while ripping us off to support their fairy tale Global warming scam, 🙂
AL GwhORE couldn’t get this bogus scam past most Americans so now they are enlisting the Black Pope…which makes perfect sense as the entire global warming charade is nothing but bad religion…pretty soon we will all be tithing our tax dollars to “fix” the problem.
My guess is that they know the petrodollar is very nearly down the toilet so they are looking at creating a new fiat currency backed by carbon credits.
The trouble is that none of the so called ‘experts’ will identify their qualifications or support it with facts to support their claims.
Your dead right. Your the perfect example.
Superman shirt in avatar? You believe in heroes. made up one. and if you were your man of steel you would force your point of view on everyone else.
I think your comments are confusing us all. Are you just some redneck retard who doesn’t believe in science or are you probably not even a real human and just a product of big petro’s marketing team? I’m not sure which is worse…
Your post is 100% insipid! You win the clueless comment prize of the day! Congrats!
Your “stupid” can’t be fixed.
Now, now “Stupid…you’re being too hard on yourself! We’ll keep workin’ on ya!
And after reading your comment I would say you’re right.
All the planets are warming up. Russians have studied for 50 years… and called it “torsion field energies” as per Richard C Hoagland. Other Astronomers mention energies coming from the center of our galaxy. HAARP antenna arrays also contribute to heat and change jet streams. Solar Coronal holes increase storms on Earth and other planets. Mankind are like fleas: puny compare to the power of the Sun.
Interesting post! But..you’ll have a hard time convincing the Global Warming devotees that our car exhaust is floating all the way up to our solar system! 😉
They’re not stupid. They’re merely corrupt. They are lying and they know it. (I bet they’re clapping their hands.)
Excellent post!
It’s nice to get positive feedback. Dare I say, “It warms my heart?”
It’s not stupid. It’s more like a stubborn refusal to let go of a lie. They still believe there’s political power to be gained through the lie.
“Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide. When once this initial and final sentence is understood, everything about liberalism – the beliefs, emotions and values associated with it, the nature of its enchantment, its practical record, its future – falls into place.”
― Kyle Bristow
Very well saidd gerry! One of my fave’s, “A young man who is NOT liberal….has no heart. An older many who is not convervative…has no brain!” (Winston Churchill, ca. 1945)
its just another way to get rid of V8 motors
and diesels
and R-V’s
I would like to know how often the thermometers that provided this data were calibrated..
I know the answer – NEVER.
Any analytical chemist will tell you uncalibrated measurements are nothing boy noise.
Might as well use a moist finger
boy = but
What do but boys have to do with the article? Sick!
Its worse than that. Surface station dot org
Actually, they “calibrate” them frequently. The trick is, what they call “calibration” is actually “miscallibration.” Literally. I mean that if a land-based weather recording station gives data which does not support “the model,” they adjust the output of that station until it does “fit the model.”
That the model is utterly false, and does not fit the REAL data… that’s of no consequence to scammers like Hansen. What matters is “how can we use this to alter human behavior,” not “is this true, or is this false?”
They are, honestly, just plain evil. Sociopathic.
That’s the same exact technique they use for the climate computer models. In fact, it was a savvy computer programmer who blew the lid off the East Anglia den of deception emails.
Don’t forget that most of the measuring apparatus are located near MASSES of concrete and other heat storing material which affects the localized temperature, then add the fabricated hocky stck to it and you have bold faced liars. Move the measuring devices out to the country free from man made items and you will see a difference, confirming a COOLING trend
These cycles have been going on for millions of years and to implicate man as the cause ( without nuclear wars that is) is like sticking you head in the sand. The warming, we have had since the last ice age, is a NATURAL event. Now we are reversing to a cooler time.
“Hide the decline!” – Michael Mann; as shown by the East Anglia emails…if it quacks and waddles, guess what? In this case, it’s a liar.
Yeah if the thermometers dont move the concrete jungle appears around the thermometer there you have it.
And if they were calibrated them, who did the calibrations?
Given how nasa & noaa have become so politicized, and are headed by biased political hacks, it’s no big leap to imagine that they tinker with their equipment to show the desired results.
Don’t forget that Obama re-directed NASAs mission from space exploration and research to a earthly directive – improving muslim relations…no joke. Therefore, how much time do they really have to keep terrestrial measuring devices working and calibrated?
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report/transcript/obama-gives-nasa-new-mission
Don’t worry, when a parking lot is put in a few feet away they don’t compensate for that either.
When someone explains to me why the Middle Ages were warmer than today and why glaciers were as far south as Chicago I will listen. How was that “man made”?
Well, you know, breathing, flatulence…all leads to more CO2 and methane leaking into the atmosphere (that’s what they’ll say). The ultimate goal of these people are to eliminate most of the human population (which means get rid of the poor and middle class). Funny thing, when I eat just fruits and vegetables, I tend to flatulate more. I have asked the same question and have gotten no answers. I have also asked what proof is there that humans, and not nature, is causing this. Scientists have shown that Earth has gone through periods of global warming and cooling for eons, yet for some reason, this time it must be humans fault. How did it happen eons ago? Did someone from the future travel back in time with a V8 engine? I find it really odd that these same people make fun of people of faith (in God) but seem to have all this faith in these scientists who say we are the cause of global warming without proving why they believe this.
No problem, 18 or so years as Meteorologist. It’s actually quite simple, and boils down to two key components. The sun has cycles in how much energy that nuclear cauldron puts out. It’s certainly not constant and fluctuates. If one sees the comparison of how large the sun compared to Earth, even being 93 million miles away, yeah it has an impact far above anything else. Second, volcanoes, those put out far more “emissions” than we ever could possibly by heavy industry or driving. In the Middle Ages the sun went into a cycle known as the Maunder Minimum and there were huge volcanic eruptions. For example, in 1815 Mt. Tambora in Indonesia exploded releasing 38 cubic miles of ash, which caused worldwide climate change and in the N. Hemisphere for 2 years there were NO summers. Plenty of records on this, on how much crop failure and starvation was caused by it. If this happened today, the effects would be far worse. Volcanic activity has perked up recently but it’s actually very quiet in that regard and something big will come, it’s inevitable. The volcanoes are far smaller of the two key factors. There isn’t enough out there to determine how the sun is going to behave. What we put out in CO2, methane, etc… is minutia. The only way man can truly change the climate would be a nuke war. Everything else is largely irrelevant. Now, I’m all for a cleaner environment, green energy, less sprawl, etc etc, but we have to establish the green energy as reliable first, which it is not at this point.
Question for you. I understand the volcano’s, ash can be pulled from ice cores. How do we know about the sun cycle that far back?? Thanks in advance.
No “direct” ice core evidence for the sun cycles. It’s mostly written records of astronomers at the time of when sun spots were observed or not. Sun spots meaning the sun is “hotter”, no sun spots means it’s relatively “cooler”. The Maunder Minimums feature few if any sun spots and means the sun isn’t as active or putting out as much energy as when it has sun spots. Another way to look and compare is like when you’re boiling water on the stove. When the water is cooler and the stove is on, it’s moving but not bubbling when boiling. The “bubbles” on the sun show as sun spots. All depends on the nuclear reaction within the sun and that is way harder to predict then any weather forecast. You’re absolutely right the ash layers can be found and accounted for. The lower energy of the sun isn’t as easy to tell as say tree rings, because ice compacts and can’t tell exactly one year or a decade of snow/ice accumulation. It’s a combination of “back-fitting” the sun cycles for the written record with today’s computers, adding available tree ring data, any additional written sources. It’s not exact, but regardless, the sun is the #1 weather factor.
the climate fear mongers dont consider sun cycles important.
they are focused on the carbon tax shearing of the sheeple.
LOL! Such lunacy.
‘We are arguing over the significance of hundredths of a degree’
. . . I believe we are talking about what is known in the science
realm as BEING STATISTICALLY DEAD. The increase means NOTHING.
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Time to tax fuel while we are still used to high prices……
That’s the ongoing swindle here in California. Sacramento want to get a 75 cent gas tax put on ever gallon sold here… They’re starting with a 12 cents with plans to move up in increments.
It’s the same here in Washington State !!
Here in Georgia too. NOW! they want to figure out a way to fund road work projects and politicians are salivating at the low gas prices.
Yeah, I don’t believe those government reports. Just when Barry is about to give a big speech on global warming, hmmmmm I wonder.
Don’t let facts get in the way of a good socialist, anti-capitalist agenda. The “science is settled” !!!!
Quick everyone – send Al Gore and the liberals a huge pay check. That is the only way the warming will end!!
I wonder how hot is was in 50AD? 1BC? Who knows since records were not kept but the climate change losers always need another pending crisis to make a few bucks. Paging Owl Gore and David Suzuki…
The only “global warming” worth worrying about is 2 Peter 3:7.
tell that to the Pope.
Lump them in with the Obots and their ObamaFail. A melting pot of stupid.
Democrats are liars, that’s what they do that’s who they are….If Democrats could not call names and tell lies they would be silent
If you want to stop Global Climate Change fraud, defund the EPA.
We aren’t going to let science get in the way of the biggest wealth redistribution and tax initiative in the history of the world! Let us hope the world warms up, because we’ll all be living outside in tents when it’s all over… Living outside and speaking Mandarin…
You can’t believe anything that this government says. From the president on down, its all lies.
The Earth’s temperature is not homeostatic…
The Left will never cease in their climate agitation…
Scientists have not been measuring the Earth’s temp the same way over the past decades…
Climate and Weather are SYNONYMS, they mean the same thing.
Democrats are so stupid they just figured out that the weather changes,
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=climate+definition
I wonder if Obama will propose new “taxes” to address this??
Don’t Worry!!
HERE, THIS WILL CHEER YOU ALL UP!!
http://youtu.be/F3-TUN7AQbU
http://youtu.be/rCBNBD1dm4o
It’s all for the headlines. The sheeple see the NYT headline about the “warmest year on record” and that’s all they need to be convinced that Al Gore is right, they should pay more taxes and have less freedom.
Baa baa baa baa baa…I can hear them now.
Scientists in Australia, USA and the UK have all
been caught manipulating the data to ARTIFICIALLY create global warming.
Scientists at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology are under indictment for
manipulating an entire century of data to show a warming trend of 1.73C/century
instead of the actual NEGATIVE 0.35C/century!!!! NASA & NOAA have also been
caught making dishonest adjustments, as has the Climate research unit at the
University of East Anglia in the UK. Yes they were illegally hacked to discover their
lies…but lies and collusion PROVEN none the less.
We have to break the law to prove the truth? Oh boy are we in trouble folks. This is as serious as it gets. To abuse Hellenism in the promulgation of a political motive shows we have a serious problem.
The federal bedwetters are at it again – must be time for Barry to announce he’s tossing a few billion $ more to his (bundler) friends at A123 or other ‘startup’.
What a load of commodity.
Just raise our taxes already… Yawn…
HOW are record cold temps possible anywhere on the planet if it is getting warmer all over the entire world?
Democrats are too stupid to know what global and/or warming mean…..
More lies, more exaggerations. Weren’t all the coastal cities suppose to be under water by now? Come back when you have something a bit more substantive than your chicken little horse$hit. Until I see mankind forced to change a single behavior that isn’t imaginary or precautionary based on a fantasy and a string of proven lies then I remain firmly in the non-Kool-Aid drinking camp.
The Church of Climatology is DESPERATE for relevance.
Algorians..
Yes they are
Go back and look at “An Inconvenient Truth.” You’ll see nearly all predictions made by Gore never came true.
never trust a crazed sex poodle.
Are you cereal?
Too much Global warming is bad for your skin, it gives you wrinkles.
Kind of like Nancy Pelosi !!
You are a precious little child.
The EPA has 2 BILLION earmarked for phony research.
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The bigger culprit is linked to the UN. It is the SERI institute in India.
SERI Institute is run by the same doofus that runs the U.N.
IPCC – Dr Rajendra K. Pachauri. Don’t be fooled by his cryptic Doctorates.
Those degrees are for work he did with his former employer – The National
Indian Railway!!!! Nothing to do with Climate Science!
The BAD Dr. launders Billion$s through SERI Institute to buy
phony “Research” with Junk Science for Global Warming. You didn’t
think all those papers flooding academia & the “Sciences” were
real, did you?
Memo to Al Gore: Propaganda won’t negate REAL data.
Sorry, it’s my fault. Ate too much broccoli this year. Passed opus amounts of hot gas.
This is all a lie. Record ice on both poles, record longevity of ice on the Great Lakes and the lowest temperatures across the country in decades with this year promising to be colder. This is a lie pure and simple. Like the nazis said, keep repeating a lie long enough it becomes the truth and the bigger the lie the more you double down on it.
Climate nazis…
It’s’ worked on you.
Settled science for ya.
“the heat is hiding in the oceans”
Is that the same heat that made it too cold for fairy-boy Obama to go swimming in the ocean on his 7th vacation to Martha’s Vineyard last summer, or the heat that froze the boatload of global warming liars into the Antarctic sea ice last Antarctic summer….you know, when they were studying the shrinking sea ice?
Haha! I still laugh when I remember those idiots :)~
NOAA and NASA are government funded and will and will continue to receive government funding as long as they produce data that support the political progressive agenda. Follow the money.
59 new reasons why the global warming model is a complete failure = settled science
If anything is making the earth’s climate change it is because everything we buy now is made on the other side of the world, and it all has to be transported. It’s not cheap energy for the poor who aren’t allowed to work!
Just more manipulation and false data reporting.
The US alone spends 40 billion dollars a year on Climate Change Studies……… that’s a really big “Gravy Train”.
Exactly. It’s a lucrative source of income for many scientists but unfortunately, corrupts the research in favor of the agenda.
In Japanese it’s Confrick of Intilist.
You hit the nail on the head.
I prefer to call it FRAUD!
Where can I sign up for it I need the money for taxes?
The global warming cult members continue to spout their political boss’s propaganda. Science is based on fact, not peer review and selective data.
I would like to meet the guy that was around and still around say a thousand years ago that had a thermometer to check the temperature.
This comes from the same government that keeps telling us that ‘Islam is the religion of peace’. How could it not be true.
numbers from the govt are always doctored to fit a narrative. This is no different.
But our unemployment (seasonally adjusted of course) is going down.
I always thought the seasonal adjustments should stay in the kitchen.
leave the seasoning to the culinary people! =)
the earth heats and cools. it has for billions of years. get over it.
Here’s a study that concludes there is not a shred of true evidence there is global Warm ing. n fact Global Cooling is closer to the facts. Thank you UN you may now go back to your belly button cleaning…… Thank you.
Send this to Boehner and McConnell, who are set to “decide” if man made global warming exists.
Problem with the scientists claiming global waring is that they’ve cried wolf too many times. Can’t believe anything that comes out of their mouth now. They have been busted lying too many times.
Facts? It’s got nothing to do with facts. This is about scaring people into excepting the next great phase of income redistribution and freedom suppression. Facts?….Don’t come here looking for a fight you bigoted, racist, intolerant, homophobic, women abusing, right wing, GW denying, one percent, immigrant bashing, oil loving, ground poisoning, air polluting piece of….wait, what was the question?
The Algorian religious fanatics are never right, just loud.
Enviro-mentals base their “science” on emotion instead of logic and fact, while charlatans like Gore feed financially off these suckers.
You aren’t even allowed to study science if you don’t even believe everything a professor tells you. You have to sell your soul to them.
These statistics are a dubious at best. First, most of the world is ocean. In truth weather buoys in the ocean are far and few between, and most are located within 200 miles of land. We don’t have many weather stations out in the open ocean. That’s very significant because it means that a huge percentage of the earth’s surface has no weather data. Second, many places in the eastern 2/3rds of the U.S. had one of their coldest, if not the coldest years ever in 2014. Most Americans were freezing their butts off last winter! Western Europe and parts of Asia also had a harsh winter last year. Nothing matches up here with reality! When a huge part North America has one of the coldest winters in history, it hear claims by NASA and NOAA don’t stand up to reason.
All right….now pay attention.
See this hockey stick?????
Obama said the debate is over, only HIS scientists are legit.
Climate change is a left-wing money laundering scheme to buy political support and influence in the academic and science communities. Period!
it’s also a scare tactic for the braindead msnbc/cnn viewers (the few that remain)
Climate Change is the vehicle that an oppressive government will use to curtail its peoples movement; i.e.,their freedom.
The funny thing is that people who call themselves intelligent, continue to buy into it and pay frauds like Al Gore to give speeches on the subject. He does’t even have a degree in any form of science yet is lauded as an expert on the matter.
Large portions of the funding is returned in political candidacy support using taxpayers money. Its a huge pot of gold for Dems.
Scientists indeed balk. We should separate scientists from the propaganda pushers of the global warming/climate change/global cooling/forecast shift/random temperature data/whatever marketing calls it next year crowd.
Don’t believe anything coming from the Federal Government!
The warmist lies are becoming laughable…
Maybe they should wear clown costumes when issuing their “facts”…
An the ideal temperature for the earth is _______?
ask OB, he claims to know everything
He obviously hasn’t met my wife… she does know everything.
She must belong to same club as mine.
you’re out of your element.
the rug is NOT the issue here!
it tied the room together…
did it not!?!?!?
You may be out of your mind. 😉
Ah, the “New Age Religion Guru” James Hansen is busy trying to bilk us out of more cash to support his scam.
We all know that this year has been COOLER than previous years. We also all know that Hansen and his fellow scammers have been caught with their hands in the proverbial cookie jar many times recently, fraudulently falsifying data. And we know that he’s definitely enjoying the “advisor to Al Gore and others” role he’s taken on, and gotten rich off of, all while still receiving a far-too-generous taxpayer-paid compensation package at the same time.
The fact that Hansen, not long ago, applied a “fudge factor” to data which, in its raw stated, showed cooling trends, resulting in “results” which were forced to be WITHDRAWN BY NASA… should have gotten the SOB fired, long ago.
But then again, remember, NASA is no longer about putting US interests into space, it’s about “reaching out to Muslims.” (sigh)
amazing. neo-cons are totally afraid if someone wants to regulate their steel phallus, but have no fear about the reality of climate change. forget the numbers, look around you at the record droughts, record floods, record wildfires, seismic activity in bizarre places (fracking), polar vortexes ruining crops, costal highways closed due to rising water, but yeah….there’s no climate change due to man.
Well now, look who just finished off a large mug of Kool Aid.
“Forget the numbers” when they don’t agree with your leftist alarmism.
Hype weather and climate changes that are historically insignificant (like you).
Fail, tool.
Fail.
pfff, pfff.t…derp, derp. americantaliban, derp.
Oh, poor little troll has its panties in a wad.
if you need numbers to reveal that weather patterns are much more severe than 20 years ago, it proves you’re a faux snooze, low info, human speed bump, neo-CON.
And stuff like this never happened before the automobile, right?
And the lame stream media keep taking the lies and breathlessly telling us only what the Warmunists are saying.
The Legacy Leftist Media are the enemies of the people.
The Global Warming Alarmists told us that as the earth got warmer, we would see an increase in the number and the intensity of tropical storms.
We haven’t experienced this.
If the earth is warmer now and we haven’t had more storms, then Global Warming doesn’t produce more and stronger storms. The prediction was wrong.
If the prediction is right, that warmer temps do lead to more and stronger storms, then the earth is not getting warmer.
they also told us we’d be under ten feet of water by now
Well I for one am glad that is settled. Now we can plan on being boiled alive. Let the humanity BBQ begin.
The “Global Warming” kleptocracy has gotten almost $2 billion in grants to flog their nonsense. Take away their government grants and you’ll never hear another “global warming” claim.
and they say scientist base everything in facts yet we now know thats not true y!!
Really strange timing with this “report”…just ahead of climate change decrees from his majesty
Yes, much like the internet security announcements on the heels of a so called breach. Fear, fear, fear and government “solutions”.
In the pass five decades, what has the government in the US really done to improve the lives of all it’s citizens? It seems government has the Midis touch but instead of turning everything it touches into gold it turns it instead into a smouldering pile of manure. Take Obama Care for example. What would make any sane individual believe that the government can make our medical care better under Obama Care when we can all see now messed up the Veterans Administration hospitals have been run? Note, the VA is a federal entity not a private entity like most of our medical care use to be.
You Californians reading this. Remember MTBE and how the Californian government believed it was the answer to the global warming scare by eliminating chemicals in our automobile exhaust that allegedly were damaging our atmosphere? Do you also recall that today MTBE has been the source cause of the shutdown of many of your fresh water wells as it is a carcinogen? How much has MTBE really cost the American people? We don’t know and it will be decades before we can even estimate a cost with any degree of accuracy. But we now know that MTBE is a bad thing and no longer use it. But we shouldn’t have used it in the first place and wouldn’t have used it if it had not been for strong government intervention. Meaning, the government screwed it us, again. The old Midis touch turning stuff into crap.
How does this happen?
Because most of America today is either to ignorant about such things or they simply do not care and cannot be bothered to see to it that government operates at the will of the people for their benefit instead of the people existing for the benefit of government and its will. Does the tail wag the dog or does the dog wag the tale? With our government today, currently it’s the tale wagging the dog and we are the one’s forced to jump through the government’s hoops for it’s benefit and entertainment.
NYT articles prove that grant-money chasing pseudo-scientists have changed their minds 15 times since 1855. Warming, cool, warming, cooling, warming, cooling..it never ends!
Do doubt they are still basing their ground measurements upon ill placed gauges and manipulated data while denying access to any source material for unbiased analysis.
If global warming were occurring and humans are the only creature to evolve, why are we getting fatter? Fat is used to insulate one from the cold and if it were getting warmer we would all be skinny. I would like for Algorites to be true in their beliefs as then I could get me a hot babe.
The climate will do what the climate does irregardless of what we do or who we throw massive amounts of money too.
Yep, Even the most ardent believers in any kind of a global warming threat keep driving cars, taking vacations, burning electricity, flushing toilets, celebrating birthdays, using batteries, etc.
Truth is, if they felt there was an actual threat caused by mankind, they would be screaming at cars at the nearest corner and living in tents trying desperately to stop their certain death.
No action = No belief.
The day I see Al Gore riding on donkey and living a modest life with a small carbon footprint is the day I’ll listen to him.
He just buys carbon credits from himself.
Is that like paying someone to go to confession for you?
actually, there are enhancements to one’s life that CAN take place to slow man-made carbon emissions. my household has taken several. it’s a matter of choosing to participate, or just bitch about it.
lol. you just admitted to God and the whole internet you are gullible.
oh no, dude who uses a 12 year old’s pseudonym for a screen name. actually, i just admitted i have more class than you.
LOL. By posting pictures of yourself half nude humping a crab. You are regular royalty.
yawnz
HA. it’s actually called a tough mudder. think you have the courage to run one?
Wow. You hump tough mudder crabs. That is classy.
yeah. that’s what it is dick head.
Tony…I admire personal changes for the sake of reducing pollution and insuring clean air…but know that it has zero effect on how that big burning star feels about us humans. It sounds like you are a reasonable person who is not swayed by the spin of the hypocrites who are in this for $$$.
i don’t live my life based on what others say, i research. i don’t care if my singular efforts change ANYTHING, except my kid’s mind about how to treat the earth. the good part is that ALL of my friends are in agreement, so i know i’m not alone, except for on this drudge board.
Science is not proven by peer review, rather by facts.
That’s a good message. The science around this topic is so wobbly, it’s not worthy of the left’s attempt at corralling the message. Everyone needs to relax.
Exactly. That’s certainly what we’ve witnessed for the past 18 years.
And just how many of these city based thermometers are feet from a new black top parking lot? Lots and lots and lots. Surface data is basically useless unless the thermometer is far from any man made structure that can absorb infrared radiation. The climate hustle continues, send us money!
It is undisputed fact that the more CO2 in the atmosphere the more plant life grows which consumes CO2. FACT!
uh, more CO2, bigger hole in the atmosphere which protects us from the sun’s radiation. ever take a science class? yeah….let’s let plant life take over. in your household it seems to have already taken place.
What exactly are you rambling about?
That is the ozone hole, not the CO2 hole moron.
Don’t blame him he attended 6th grade science at a public school.
ok Dr. jellyfinger, you go ahead and believe that CO2 does NOT emit long wave radiation.
I believe you are emitting long wave radiation as I type this.
If man causes “global warming” then how in the hell did the earth thaw from the ice age, long before man was driving cars and living with electricity? I think the sun, the cloud cover, the ocean currents, along with the CO2 released from the oceans, jungles, and volcanoes have much more to do with it. Which brings up another point…..how can CO2 be considered a pollutant when it’s the basic building block of ALL life on this planet. Without CO2 in the atmosphere there would be no plants, trees, grass, etc. Without these there would be no oxygen, and by consequence no people. Wake up libtards, this is basic 2nd grade science.
OMG….are you seriously suggesting this, or are you being sarcastic? neo-CON’s: THIS guy is on your side, you sure you want him playing on your team? he might EAT the uniforms.
Einstein just arrived.
What a shame to dishonor such a great writer with such infantile wit.
Coming from you that just may be a badge of honor.
i’ll just go ahead and guess that you share brandon’s genius ideas about CO2.
Do you disagree that plant life on earth requires CO2 to exist? Do you disagree that oxygen is required by all animal life? What’s the argument here?
i agree with both. i disagree that increased CO2 is not harmful due to the long wave radiation.
Of all the myths quoted, calling carbon dioxide a pollutant is the worst – it’s simply is not true! Myth: CO2 is a pollutant. Fact: Totally false. I challenge you to prove otherwise. CO2 is in our every breath, in the carbonated sodas and waters that we drink and in the dry ice that helps us keep our food cold and safe. We breathe in 385 parts per million and then exhale 40,000 parts per million with no ill effects. We breathe the 40,000 ppm into victims needing CPR and it does not cause them to die! The monitoring systems in U.S. submarines do not provide an alert until CO2 levels reach 8,000 ppm which is higher that natural CO2 levels have been on Earth in the last 540 million years. CO2 is a great airborne fertilizer which, as its concentrations rise, causes additional plant growth and causes plants to need less water. Without CO2 there would be no life (food) on Earth. The 100 ppm of CO2 added to the atmosphere since the start of the industrial revolution has caused an average increase in worldwide plant growth of 12 percent and of 18 percent for trees.
never said it was a pollutant, just that more CO2 means more radiation. thanks for being my research bitch though.
Just here to help.
Answer: You can’t tax oxygen since man doesn’t generate it.
I think the government uses this when the fire gets to hot in Washington and they throw in the Global warming to put us off the track. Well they should know, it doesn’t work. We know their screwing up.
GREEN is the new RED
Watermelons. Green on the outside, red on the inside.
This information in my opinion will Never permeate the Spin machine that Believers have their collective heads in.
The only Global Warming is coming out of Obama, his ilk and the Democrats mouths
Another BAD religion………………
#itisfreakinwinter
“We now have satellite data to show that global warming is actually happening!”
“What do you mean it shows no warming?”
“Satellite data is irrelevant!”
The global warming and climate change scams continue.
Show me the money crowd
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!
Yes but it won’t be from global warming.
Unfortunately – with the current Administration having PROVED themselves to be LIARS and AUTHORS OF DECEIT, I don’t believe them, especially when I read to many reports of “Record Cold” all over the world. So – EXCUSE ME for not believing this report.
Just my Take
“Boy it looks hot over there, I can see it with my telescope!” Oops just a mirage….Spock out
Of course, NOAA is the same bastion of brilliance that said the “average temperature for the contiguous U.S. during July was 77.6°F, 3.3°F above the 20th century average, marking the warmest July and all-time warmest month on record for the nation in a period of record that dates back to 1895″ and “the previous warmest July for the nation was in 1936, when the average U.S. temperature was 77.4°F.”
While NOAA and their fellow global warming/climate change fanatics spent much of their time shouting this “scientific” news to all the world for two years… they weren’t as enthusiastic about letting everyone know they quietly reinstated July 1936 as the hottest month on record in the U.S. sometime in June of 2014 because their “data” (as it turns out) was “flawed.”
last summer in NY I wasn’t able to feel hot enough to head for the beach and I am still waiting, it is freezing here!
From a 1834 Kentucky newspaper article:
Isiah Fredskir of Nashville TN reported his donkey named man died of hyperthermia July 10. Got so hot the popcorn started poppin in the garden and the donkey thought it was a blizzard and froze to death.
Al Gore 2003:
My great great great granddaddy Isiah Fredskir discovered global warming is man made.
The science is settled.
Unlike slavery I hope to God all ancestors of conservative climate change deniers (Oil/Coal industry water carriers) are held accountable for the ignorance of their fathers. People on this blog are fighting logic and science to the death to secure the profits of Oil and Coal Billionaires at the expense of the Earth. Its a shame you all will long dead when and your grand children will inherit an Earth were the Sky boils in January in North America and we loose NYC and parts of Florida due to rising sea levels. I hope you all retire to Florida Pan Handle and get swept out to sea in Super Hurricanes.
Get over yourself. This website isn’t just saying “we’re right and you’re wrong”, they have presented evidence from climatologists. If you want to believe a group of scientists on one side and not believe another group of scientists, that’s all on you buddy. Talk about closed minded.
No prediction of doom and gloom has ever come to pass, ever. No biblical prophesy and no scientific or political one. Ten years ago Harry Reid made a big speech in congress saying there would never be any more snow, ever. That was back when the last 3 years of winter had no snow. Ever since then not only have we had snow, but huge blizzards. Guess he was wrong.
How about I remind you of our Ozone layer? Remember how that was supposed to be gone by now? What you wrote is exactly the rhetorical nonsense I use to hearing back then about the Ozone layer. Everyone predicted doom and gloom and said we all had to change our ways and get taxed. Guess what, they were wrong too!
Well, isn’t that a pleasant thought from someone who cares about the earth and his fellow man?
Climate change equals more taxes.
It is what they want it to be! If the numbers aren’t there, they’ll make them up. If other numbers contradict, they’ll toss them. It’s all about an agenda! And money-lots of money. Carbon credits, credit trading, carbon taxes, and more taxes. Plus research grants for those who turn in reports that are favorable.
Full steam ahead! (no pun intended) Keep that propaganda machine humming. Global warming, global warming, global warming. The earth is burning up…while I’m freezing my ARSE OFF!!
Science Dammit!!!!
I couldn’t care less if it’s warming, cooling or turning Japanese (I really think so).
Try to tax me to pay for this idiocy and I’m out.
America used to be the only player.
No longer. I’ll happily take my money and brains somewhere they’ll be more appreciated….
If you want to keep your doctor, you can; if you want to keep your policy you can, period. If the government wants to raise taxes because of a high temperature reading it can! It makes no difference if it is true or not because they can make up any number they want and that lie will last as long as the want, period.
Time to lobby for appropriations.
giss vs Satellite
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2009.75/to/trend/plot/gistemp/from:2009.75/offset:-0.25/trend
Yup
The head of NASA was appointed by obama: Would you honestly expect them to produce data that does not support the obama agenda?
Actually, there was another guy who headed NASA but his data showed that this was natural and Obama had his Cronometric Tsar go back in time to wipe the guy from existence. 🙂
The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present — and is gravely to be regarded.
….. Dwight D. Eisenhower
Total bullshit.
These clowns believe that they can accurately measure the temperature worldwide, and make a claim of a trend, when the period in question is like a grain of sand in the immense beach of time.
Wake me when the opening act is over.
Today, it was 72.21 degrees in Phoenix. Thank Goodness, if it were 72.22, I’d have burst into a ball of flame.
New seminar for weak minds soon to be available: “Global Warming: Scamming the World for Fun and Profit”
Sad but true but a lot of world’s surface temps are estimated,
even in the US up to 40% are estimated.
“Fake temperatures are marked with an “E” in their final database, as seen below in the 2008-2011 January-June data for Cadiz, Ohio.
https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/screenhunter_5152-dec-12-22-23.gif
Nearly 40% of the 2014 final temperatures are marked with an “E” – which is even larger than the 29% percentage of stations which are completely fake. This indicates that they are also making up temperatures for a large number of stations which actually do have thermometer data.”
http://cran.r-project.org/web/…
A: Accumulated amount. This value is a total that may include data from a previous month or months (TPCP).
B: Adjusted Total. Monthly value totals based on proportional available data across the entire month. (CLDD, HTDD)
E: An estimated monthly or annual total.
please note that the grey areas represent missing data- hmm i wonder what that means.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/201409.gif
GIss estimate temps up to 1200 kilometres from weather stations around the world.
Here is what the MET say about that-
“NASA GISS assumes that temperature anomalies remain coherent out to distances of 1200km from a station”
I have often assumed things…… but never that NASA GISS are coherent.
“Lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
I agree that Earth may be going through a global warming phase, but where is the proof that this is not natural and is completely man-made? I read that Earth has gone through numerous global warming and cooling phases, so why, all of a sudden, it must be man-caused global warming this time? And would someone unthaw me out when this global warming is over please??!! Global warming sure makes it cold in the Peoples Republic of Maryland.
ManBearPig does not approve
And he’s super serial….
I thought he was super cereal. BOY WAS I WRONG.
Richard, does your dad have hooves where his feet should be?
if his boot was up your azz would you be able to tell the difference in your weirdo sects organ?
I know what you mean..
When I was young, I used to hear about “cereal” killers.. And I thought.. “Oh! Those poor corn flakes!”
<3 Muah!
WHAT?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ManBearPig
THANK YOU
I think any climate scientist who is found to be willingly misleading the public should be tried, convicted and then executed. It’s obvious these bastards are lying and doing it to continue to receive their funding since they can’t function in a normal job like a normal person. Their lies are used to support themselves and then they publish this crap which the whole world knows is a lie. Again, if proven to be willingly misleading the public for their own benefit, tried, convicted and executed.
I wouldn’t wxecute them, but rather give them life sentences of hard labor.
They are grasping at straws.
Yeah, but their MY straws.
They are grasping at hundredths of straws.
Well played.
I’m confused, I thought ALL scientists were supportive of the federal government’s assertions of climate change.
I thought the gubmint got ALL of its data from a scientific community that was entirely in consensus.
Even if temperatures are increasing worldwide, that’s a good thing that we should hope to continue for years to come.
when your scam is discovered ..the first thing you do..
double down on the same scam
For warmers
#jesuisalgore
#imwithstupid
For doubters
#showmesomemoneythenibelieve
#nasaneedstoquitfnupearthandgotomars
They were upset that the data wasn’t supporting their agenda. So like true progressives they decided, ‘no problem, we’ll just lie’.
only .007 degrees?
I guess I did not drive my Big Block Pontiac around town enough last year..
this year I will make a difference
Let’s all fart at the same time to see if we can create a spike.
.008!!!!
$2 gas has 7 pickups and 4 suv’s idling 24/7 in my driveway. It is frikken cold out.
Climate change cheerleaders are like investment advisors. They make money no matter which way the climate/market goes. What a great business.
Climate greed.
LOOK LIKE CLIMATE DENIERS ARE THE JUANS BALKINGS NOT THE SCIENTISTS.
I AM A REPUBLICAN AND A CLIMATE SKEPTIC BTW.
You are skeptical that there is a climate? lol
YES
LOL!
lol I am skeptical that there is a you.
AT LEAST I DON’T DENY EXISTENCE OF GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE A SERIOUS ISSUE. I’M JUST SKEPTICAL AND KEEP A LOOKING EYE.
You just said there is no climate. How can it change? lol
You’re just pretending to be stupid aren’t you. haha It’s working.
You may want to glance backward with your “looking” eye and notice the drastic swings in global temperature over the past 10,000 years without it being remotely attributed to man.
I’ve never denied climate.
GOOD FOR YOU, TOO MANY DO THOUGH.
Easy on the caps lock, Betsy.
IT’S A STYLE, IT’S A STATEMINT, LIKE AN ACCENT.
It’s not working for you.
like an axcent statemint?
Try reading the rebuttal again moron slower if you have to
Gruber goobers unite!
Global warming alarmism will not go away simply because there is too much money to be made by scientists bucking for research grants and clever businessmen seeking to soak the gullible.
Yes and it may be that they have to figure out a way to tax cooling of the earth since it may be shifting that direction. No matter what, they will blame man. It’s really quite arrogant when you think about it.
There’s something missing here. Where are all the global goobers who claim they will take the word of scientists over internet commenters? That’s right, they are still bitterly clinging to their religion over in the other story that’s still pushing the hoax.
Because the “N” in NOAA stands for “National” as in “United States federal government under the Obama administration” the report is not to be believed. Don’t blame me, they did it to themselves.
Global Warming science is the best example of conformational bias research.
I find it fascinating that we are *ALWAYS* on the “brink of the precipice”.. Been that way for decades…
Won’t someone please just PUSH US OVER already!!
Then we wouldn’t have to listen to the doom-saying fanatics!
Best hurry also. I am going to die prior to having the opportunity to kill myself according to them kind.
Iran has been “just months away” from completing a nuke since 2002
None of these “scientists” opinions matter because they are not true scientists if they don’t kneel before the altar of Man Made Global Warming. I mean Global Warming. I mean Climate Change.
NOAA has never belched out lies before
These morons never ever lie
Globaloney: NOAA Quietly Changes Warmest Year Back to …
wizbangblog.com › … › Global Warming › Liberals › Media › Science
Jul 01, 2014 · Globaloney: NOAA Quietly Changes Warmest Year Back to 1936 Without Comment. … (NOAA) claimed that the year 2012 was the “hottest” year on record.
This is so simple I can’t believe these no one though of it….
The earth began heating up when we discovered air conditioning….
It’s hotter outside because we made it cooler inside!
Conservation of energy and all that…
So, factor in the temp in our houses and it evens out….
Rubes.
Is it just a coincidence that Obama is making a huge “climate change” power grab just as these “scientists” who work for him come out with this alarmist idiocy? Yeah, probably just a coincidence.
The cattle count world wide is at it’s lowest level in recorded history and earth is warming so it ain’t the cow farts.
All Northeast and Northern cities refuse to sell their snow plows and stores of road salt when they KNOW that global warming is here. The President must immediately issue an executive order to make them do so now. Its the right thing to do, you know.
As long as the stupid crowd is around the world will believe this pap.
This is a site for idiots. Run by Marc Marano – lobbiest and tool of the fossil fuel industry.
Is it hard to type with fat fingers or do they sell fat finger keyboards. We know you aren’t on a smart phone.
Mongo would never use something smarter than himself.
Be kind. Who knows, maybe we should all get our scientific data from Mongo.
As you are a lobbyist (check your spelling) and tool of the liberal media.
Lo and behold, a faithful member of the First Church of Gore just showed up.
Gruber goober
All climate change chicken little terrorists deserve a punch in face and a kick in the nads.
That would take work away from all the nad kickers as them chiken littles pay for that now.
that dont have nads…… they have vags……
If 2014 was the hottest year on record, where were the increased number of storms and intensity of storms predicted by Global Warming alarmists theories?
Remember we were told hotter temps means more storms of greater intensity.
Oops! They forgot that little detail. (pay no attention to the lack of Hurricanes last year).
If democrats would.stop wailing about free healthcare the temps wouldnt have risen .0007 degrees.
Does it matter to mother earthers that Obama’s “climate change” policies accomplish nothing other than hurting the lower and middle classes the most with higher energy prices and fewer jobs? Nope. They don’t really care what will happen theoretically 100 years from now. They want to change everybody’s way of life right now. It’s their religion. And, does it matter to them that their bogus “science” is being exposed? Not a bit. Jonathan Gruber was quite clear on how liberals get their way when telling the truth is “politically untenable.” They have our liberal president and his slick-talking spokesman lie through their teeth with big, charming smiles on their faces. Call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever.
Within the 3-5 billion year Earth record ,there has always been cooling with periodic warming trends but always cooling. Solar activity and the internal furnace are the primary sources of warming and cooling and the activity of man has little or nothing to do with change in the weather unless we incinerate ourselves with a nuclear war.
Even then ,over time Earth will survive with new living creatures.
The Climate Control fraud is about political control of all earths population governed by a Elite Dictatorship, nothing more or less.
Liberals lying to us!!!!! Say it ain’t so.
Global whining continues unabated by science and truth. libs g fy
Yes, 2014 was definitely the hottest year on record, at least for Obama, and his rectal thermometer confirms that statement as factual!
The UN’s promotion of global warming (Now called global weather change so they don’t have to predict any actual changes in the weather, they can just say SEE! SEE!) is nothing more then a money grab. They are looking for stupid people like Bimbo to give them money which they can abscond with. It’s scam and anyone with intelligence realizes it. What’s that say about the Bimbo? Stupid or part of the Scam?
The Obama admin is busy ruining NASA’s credibility!
This is just junk science. NASA is a highly regarded and respected organization. They know what they are doing and what they are talking about. The planet is getting hotter and we need to take swift action no matter the cost. Taxes need to be raised so that we can combat this problem now. This planet and the human race are at the brink.
” NASA is a highly regarded and respected organization” – not any more!
Really clever sarcasm Prancy.
…This planet and the human race are at the brink.
At least since the 70’s when global cooling was all the rage, how long does a ‘brink’ last anyway?
So far we have been on it for 45 years and counting …
I guess, considering the age of the universe, the brink could be 25 to 30 million years long. You know, give or take a few years.
TROLL
TROLL!
Not after Columbia became toast.
If official record keeping began in 1880 and therefore we don’t know the temperatures before then how do we know that 1880 wasn’t the low end of a cooling trend and that the cooling trend ended in 1880 and temperatures have been rising to ‘normal’ levels?
Finally.
An article that educates about the scientific method.
The scientific Theory of Global warming is based on computer models.
Both climate and weather are too complex to model without computers.
The hypothesized historic link between man made carbon monoxide entering the atmosphere and global warming is only shown using these computer models. If the models are correct they can not only explain what happened in the past, they can also predict the future.
The scientific method requires that any scientific model be tested against it’s ability to predict the future.
If all the existing global warming computing models are unable to accurately predict the future, then scientific method requires that the computer models and hypotheses based on those models be rejected until computer models that both appear to explain history, and also predict the future are found.
Those who have long questioned the validity of the computer models point out that they only work historically when applied to a very limited number of years ( a couple of hundred years versus thousands of years for which climate data is available ). The defenders of the computer models try to explain away these problems with the model by claiming only the climate data for the last 100 to 200 years is reliable.
The big problem now is that the models both do not work for most of the existing climate data and they do not work for predicting the future.
If a scientific hypothesis can neither be used to predict the future nor the past, it fails utterly as a valid scientific theory. That would appear to be where we are at with the theory of predominantly man caused global warming.
There are hucksters that use the same tricks showing how they can predict the movements in the stock market “See it works on historical data!” which they fail to mention that they tuned it specifically for.
The typical warmist believes whatever their Scientists Shamans tell them, even when they contradict themselves and are wrong 100% of the time.
‘Real science’ does not rely on altered data & deception. This form of ‘real science’ seems to be driven by potential profit more than reality.
Ok folks, here is how to spot the lie of global warming.
It all has to do with how the data is collected and the level of resolution the sensors that detect these temperatures.
First of all this “argument” is in the 1/100th of a degree, .01 degrees if you will. That means in order to establish any credible figure you need to collect your data repeatedly at the level of 1/1000th of a degree just to filter out the natural “noise” in your data making your .01 degree statement credible.
Now while there are instruments that can measure to the 1/1000th of a degree with a great deal of accuracy, repeatedly as simply taking one measurement is not enough to establish a trend nor does it account for a measurement that may be botched or wrong because no one bothered to verify it’s accuracy. The proper way would be to take ten or more measurements repeatedly, cast aside the high and the low and then average the remaining measurements to yield one figure. Because of the noise factor and natural inaccuracies at the 1/1000th of a degree resolution point you can then only establish the 1/100th of a degree point with any reasonable precision.
Secondly, there are no temperature sensors deployed on any space platform that can repeatedly determine any temperature on earth to the 1/100th of a degree precision point. They simply not exist. I know this from having spent a lifetime working with such instruments on space craft, the very same spacecraft that produced the data these scientists are arguing about.
Third, while earth bound instruments are capable of directly monitoring temperature at the 1/100th of a degree precision point, they are few in number, expensive, and have only been around for a decade or so. What do you think we use to calibrate the temperature data from the sensors we place on the space craft? Note: Your level of precision is only as good as the source you used to calibrate it. You simply cannot infer levels of precision, that has to be established from a calibrated source. And even then, over a period of time you need to recalibrate your sensor as the quality of its data, precision wise, deteriorates over time. That’s a virtual impossibility on an orbiting satellite.
So you can easily see the lie being told about a 1/100th degree temperature rise of the planet based on satellite sensor data.
So what about measuring it on earth?
Well, first of all we do not have enough of those instruments, or the manpower, or the money that would be needed to pay for it, to accomplish the feat.
For one, you would need to precisely measure the temperature of every square inch of the earth’s surface all at the same time. We do not have the technology to do that nor do we have the technology to process the data gathered from so many temperatures.
Even then, if such things were possible, they would have only been possible very recently as the devices to establish levels of temperature at the 1/100th of a degree precision point, didn’t exist and have only been assumed, based on data that was collected by various people in different ways and even then they could only establish temperatures in the 1/10th of a degree precision point at best and are actually plus or minus a full degree, which is actually a two degree level of accuracy. It then could be 32 degrees or 30 degrees, based on the level of accuracy the temperature sensors then could resolve. Magic with numbers.
It also illustrates the problem when we have only been gathering global data on a regular basis for less than one hundred years as there were no formal recognized organizations in existence that would establish the procedures of taking temperature to where every scientist on earth were doing it the same way. One procedure may have been correct while other procedures may not have been correct, thus adding to the inaccuracies in the data that would yield faulty results.
Terrestrial weather monitoring stations were created worldwide approximately 50 years ago. When they were installed they were placed in remote areas away from mankind so that man’s activities would not affect the accuracy of the data they were to gather. Even then, the sensor devices had their own inaccuracy problems and the process assumed that all of these monitoring stations were installed the same way everywhere. Not to mention the fact that they are two few in number to establish a statement of a 1/100th degree rise in global temperature as they do not populate every square inch of the earth’s surface or are all capable of conducting their temperature measurements all at the same time.
Another problem with these terrestrial weather monitoring stations is the fact that since they were initially installed they have suffered the effects of encroachment caused by man and man made activities. For example, the weather monitoring station in Redding California was installed at the airport far and away from man made activities. Today, it hasn’t moved, but it’s located adjacent to the tarmac where jet aircraft run up their engines as they check them out before taking off. In other words, the data coming from this station is no longer accurate because of the effects of very local changes in the micro-climate caused by man, or more specifically, these aircraft.
Now Redding’s station isn’t the only station that is suffering the effects of micro-climates changed because of mankind’s local activities. But it doesn’t mean that it adversely effects the world climate which is only assumed from computations derived from data that is suspect in the first place. First in he methodology by which it was collected, where it was collected, when it was collected and when the device collecting the data was calibrated and to what degree of precision the calibrator possessed.
So next time some alarmist comes up to you with the warning of a 1/100th degree of temperature change and attributes that being caused by mankind, at least you will now know enough to determine for yourself whether he or she is just a crackpot or some who you should give your attention and money to.
Look at it this way, if it were possible to instantaneously establish a 1/100th degree precision point with our temperature it would then be easily possible to predict the earth’s weather patterns more than 48 hours in advance and they would always be accurate. We can’t, the way they go about alarming the populace for the sake of grant money and what we can do about it is what the real problem is all about.
Perhaps if the majority of these alarmists would just shut their mouths for awhile we would then see a drop in the world’s temperature as all of that hot carbon-dioxide laden air wouldn’t be released into our earth’s atmosphere.
Well said and very enlightening.
Where were the increased number of storms of increased intensity in 2014 predicted by Global Warming Alarmist theories?
Global warming and cooling is normal.
Blaming humans is carbon tax fraud.
See charts below; The only thing constant is change.
As usual the global warming fanatics will grasp at any straw to confirm their decision to invest in carbon credits. Then we have EV vehicles that for the most part damage the environment more then fossil based vehicles. The only time an EV vehicle is a benefit is if it is completely recharged by solar energy which is rare.
A real climate scientist, Ben Franklin, the real-life discoverer of the
warm-water Gulf Stream, is cloned, and returns to today to mock government
scientists in “Foundering Fathers!”:
“…Franklin wanted to ask the climate expert about something that was
bothering him. A few weeks earlier, he’d taken a train to the mid-Atlantic
shore, and spent the day exploring and studying some seaside spots he’d visited
in his earlier life.
“I was wondering about something, sir,” Franklin stated. “I’m something of an
amateur historian, and I’ve, uh, I’ve studied accounts and drawings of
coastlines and harbors from centuries ago. According to your theories of
warming, the sea level in such locales should have risen by hundreds of feet.”
He thought back to the coasts he’d recently visited. “But in many cases, those
shore lines of old are practically identical to today’s. How do you account for
that?”
The climate “scientist” eyed Franklin with some suspicion. Then he smoothly
replied: “The answer is simple. Warming has been melting the ice caps, which
should make the sea levels rise.
“But the ice caps, being icy, are cold, and when icebergs from them fall into
the ocean, some of the warming is mitigated. Think of the icebergs as giant ice cubes, cooling off the seas, and the ice caps.
“Further, the planet has warmed so much, that it’s evaporated the water that
has melted, resulting in sea levels, and coast lines, that are nearly equal to
before…”
— From, Foundering
Fathers: What Jefferson, Franklin, and Abigail Adams Saw in Modern D.C.! Second
Edition
http://www.amazon.com/Foundering-Fathers-Jefferson-Franklin-Abigail/dp/1492257923/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1379694859&sr=1-1&keywords=foundering+fathers+second+edition
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FEZG8UW
Hopefully, Ted Cruz will end this cult once he takes over the Senate Commerce Subcommittee on Science, Space, and Competitiveness.
Shaman science says that AGW is happening
If it’s not, well it’s because of policies that were not actually implemented ( but mamma nature gives you points for the thought )
If you have a accurate data set that disagrees with your desires then that data set is no longer accurate
If your models are shown to be non-integral it’s the person pointing that out that’s the problem
There are many more rules in Shaman Science but the number one rule is that the Shaman is never wrong. If you even think the Shaman is wrong then you are a heretic, a hater, and must be stopped at all costs, no one may even question the Shaman!
Well, that lasted 4 hours…
Obama has destroyed NOAA and NASA
I knew it was inaccurate as soon as I read “Federal scientists” report.
According to Global Warming Alarmist Theories, warmer temperatures would produce more storms of greater intensity.
Has there been an uptick in the number and intensity of storms?
If the RW conservative faithful choose to ignore science, so be it. At least science is in good hands. On the upside, these illiterate voices are increasingly irrelevant as the world moves on without them. Thank Jeebus science is not a democracy.
” Thank Jeebus science is not a democracy.”
Bleated the mindless liberal sheep who knew nothing about the subject other than a lie claiming falsely that the hoax was proven by falsely reported results of a push poll…
Research those named in this “report”. I think you’ll find out quickly who has an agenda.
Is your craving for tyranny so corrupt that you will destroy the peace of the world with your theft of reason?
I’m not sure I said anything about craving tyranny. Acknowledging simple scientific fact is not political, simply reasonable. What to do about it is certainly debatable, but denying the underlying truth to avoid hard choices is just lazy.
But don’t you see it for yourself, you even use the catch phrases of the climate Marxists, i.e. lazy, denying, scientific fact, grown ups? I am a retired scientist and it wounds my very soul to know that in my lifetime science has been so happily perverted for such obvious political ends. When so much of the basics of scientific method are corrupt, i.e. data collection, there can be no further deductions that are realistic, except by extreme accident and that my boy, is not science. I am finished here.
Sorry to hear about your soul.
Not as sorry to hear how a rough go yours has.
At least he has one.
Am I to assume that all people who choose to accept the opinion of the vast majority of scientific academia have no soul? That is kind of harsh.
THEORY, not fact! The AGW theory has not yet been proven using the scientific method.
Of course it has. And I’m not sure you understand how the word “theory” is used in academia as opposed to common parlance. It is really quite different.
Just look at all the facts, you know, so scientific.
John Kerry Climate Change, “Scientists project that the Arctic will be ice-free in the summer of 2013. Not in 2050, but four years from now.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-kerry/we-cant-ignore-the-securi_b_272815.html
2013 Arctic Ice Highest Since 2007 http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/screenhunter_1879-oct-26-08-13.jpg
11/30/2014 Real Science: Greenland Ice Sheet Mass Gain at a Record High: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/11/30/autumn-greenland-ice-sheet-mass-gain-at-a-record-high/
WH Climate Office Won’t Turn Over Supporting Data to Back Up Solar Vortex Claim. Says it was opinion (thought science was settled?) http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/29/lawsuit-white-house-wont-show-evidence-to-back-up-polar-vortex-claims/
NASA Admits It Can’t Explain Why Warming Appears to Have Slowed: http://www.ijreview.com/2014/10/185975-nasa-report-released-deep-ocean-waters-show-sign-warming-9-years/
Clean Energy’s Dirty Secrets: http://www.nationalreview.com/energy-week/388619/clean-energys-dirty-secrets-rupert-darwall
“EPA administrator Gina McCarthy admitted it was not about pollution control. “It’s about investments in renewables and clean energy,” she told the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works in July. “This is an investment strategy.”
Soo, invest: The Green Blob Unveiled, US Billionaires Purchased Policy: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/26/The-Green-Blob-Unveiled-How-UK-Energy-Policy-is-Bought-With-American-Billionaires-Cash
Thank heavens we don’t have to worry about something that isn’t happening.
Don’t worry. The grown ups will take it from here. You can go back to your judge Judy marathon now.
Yep, your hubris burns bright.
Maybe this is the end times and God said people will not know but maybe you do and it will all come to an end.
Yes. That is probably it.
Climate scientists, who get their research funding off of the government teet, only if they support the AGW theory, have made a mockery of the scientific method. Their intellectual dishonesty is shameful. But, what matter facts to the Libtard mind? It is only their ideology that matters to them. Facts are ALWAYS inconvenient to liberal positions, which is why they are so easy to defeat.
Well let me see. I wonder if I would be better off taking my information from AmericanMade77 from the message board or maybe the combined opinion of ……………….
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Australian Bureau of Meteorology and the CSIRO
British Antarctic Survey
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Environmental Protection Agency
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
Federation of American Scientists
Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
International Union for Quaternary Research (INQUA)
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
Royal Meteorological Society
Royal Society of the UK
Hmmmm. Sorry bro, it was close, but I have to go with the smart people on this one.
It is indeed frightening to see how easy it is for the climate Marxists to pervert scientific investigation for their own selfish ends. Have we forgot so soon how the Nazis were so easily enticed to create monsters from their political use of science? That is exactly what we see with Global Warming/Man-made climate change. It is political theater meant to drive the world’s population to its Agenda 21 slaughterhouse.
That may be the most wildly insane and paranoid thing I have read today. Wow. Curious about tinfoil hats these days, are they typically worn with the shiny side in or out? You should check your dosage. Seriously.
The Glo-Bull Warming Cult is the One True Religion, and Al Gore is it’s Prophet!
Algore Akbar!
Algore Akbar!
Algore Akbar!
Fascism – Political economic system in which there is domination of privately-owned business, media, and academia by the government. It never ends well…
Sets of temperature data differ. A truly accurate reading seems almost impossible. But what can be derived from the readings is temperatures are not going off the scale and are generally in normal ranges. The left’s political science propaganda scammers once again try and jump on this as proof of their warming agenda. But don’t lose site of the point. Even if termperatures are increasing slightly there is no proof it’s caused by AGW and not just natural causes. NO PROOF. And scammers like Borenstein don’t have any either.
There is no such thing as “truly accurate” temperature readings.
There are just people who lie about the accuracy of temperature measuring devices.
Anyone who tells you that most of the instruments used world wide to measure outside air temperature have a precision of better than a tenth of a degree are simply telling bold face lies.
The powerful learned a long time ago that in order to control, manipulate and extort from the masses, you need to create cult like opportunities for the herd to rally around. Convince them to cheer lead and you’ll own them. CC is just that kind of opportunity. Think of the money, the laws, the power that’s been transferred already from the people and you get the picture. In my short tenure on this earth I’ve seen “expert” study after “expert” study get debunked time and time again. These clowns can’t even get the weather right 12 hours from now and we’re supposed to believe that in decades to a century (nice window of proximity) we’re going to burn- in the 70’s we were all going to freeze. Once you’re proven to be a liar, a deceiver or just plain wrong again and again, you should lose credibility. But not in the herd’s mind, they simply waddle up to the Super Big Gulp Kool-Aid machine and refill the cup. Man’s biggest tragedy on this earth is stupidity. I don’t need a hoax, a law, some rah rah speech to tell me to reduce waste and avoid polluting. And if you stand to take money from me or limit my freedom; I know your cause is NOT legit.
All through history the witch doctor, shamans, seers, entrails readers, sorcerers, wizards, high priest, whatever, have been right next to the leadership throwing flash powered on the fire to scare the natives into all kinds of dumb things like say, sacrificing livestock, crops, virgins, warriors, treasure, to forestall some conjured doom that only they can foresee and protect against.
Do some research on the people named in this “report”. You want to talk about agendas…
So you are claiming they are wrong and most of the temperature measuring devices are accurate to better than one tenth of one degree ?
If that is what you are claiming, then you have destroyed your own credibility.
If on the other hand you are just calling names and not disputing the facts at all, well we all know what that makes you.
The man made global warming theory must be able to both explain thousands of years of historical climate data and predict the future.
It has failed at both and only works for a few hundred years of historical data at best. For a few years after the hypothesis was proposed it appeared that a very tiny trend of global warming matched the predictions, but now we have had 16 years that did NOT match the predictions. The ability to predict the future has failed.
The scientific method requires that a hypothesis be able to predict the future if it is to even be considered a scientific theory.
Or maybe I’m just merely pointing out the fact that the people named in this report are members of organizations that are supported by people with clear agendas.
But hey, go ahead and use their data to talk your talk.
I’ll bet you also let the salesman tell you how reliable that used car you’re going to buy is as well.
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Finally.
An article that educates about the scientific method.
The Scientific Theory of Man Made Global warming is based on computer models that
are intended to show that Global warming is caused predominantly by human activity on earth.
The computer models this theory are based on have existed for decades.
Both climate and weather are too complex to model without computers.
The hypothesized historic link between man made carbon monoxide entering
the atmosphere and global warming is only shown using these computer
models. If the models are correct they can not only explain what
happened in the past, they can also predict the future.
The scientific method requires that any hypothesis be tested against it’s ability to predict the future.
If all the existing global warming computer models are unable to
accurately predict the future, then scientific method requires that the
computer models and hypotheses based on those models be rejected until
computer models that both explain history, and also predict the future
are found.
Those who have long questioned the validity of the computer models point out that they only work historically when applied to a very limited number of years ( a couple of hundred years versus
thousands of years for which climate data is available ). The defenders of the computer models try to explain away these short comings of the models by claiming only the climate data for the last 100 to 200 years
should be considered for a number of speculative reasons why other historical climate data may not be as accurate..
The big problem now is that the models neither work for explaining most of the existing
historic climate data nor do they work for predicting the future.
If a scientific hypothesis can neither be used to predict the future nor
explain the past, it fails utterly as a valid scientific theory. That would
appear to be where we are at with the scientific theory of predominantly man caused
global warming.
At this point the scientific theory of man made global warming is not just an unproven scientific hypothesis, it is a
proven false scientific hypothesis.
By contrast, the non-scientific media theory of climate change is not, and never has been a scientific
theory, since by definition any change in climate proves the theory correct thereby making the theory impossible to prove false with any test, which is the very definition of non-science.
I’m so frightened now I’ll do anything, pay anything, for these “scientist” to save me. How much and where do i send the check? Can they just set the thermostat at a pleasant 72 degrees and move on?
I keep mine at 67 degrees. I can’t stand much heat anymore. I used to live
in California and now I live in Washington State. I love the four seasons. I hope
we get some snow here.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t water vapor a much more efficient greenhouse gas than CO2? Where is the government program to eliminate evaporation of the oceans???
Don’t give em any ideas!
There you go confusing the progressives with facts. How will they ever crown their leader as emperor if you espouse facts?
I will correct you. Efficient? Methane is a very potent greenhouse gas. It is just there is a s*-load (that is a technical term) of water vapor in the atmosphere. The water vapor / clouds swamp out the contribution of anything else.
Point taken. I guess I should have added the following comment: “The left won’t address this fact — add the methane to the water vapor — because there is no convenient way to address this problem. These are naturally occurring substances. However, CO2, the *least* effective greenhouse gas is emitted by cars, factories… ie large industries that can be “taxed or embarrassed” by government regulation. Not to mention, there are less brownie points for attacking water vapor that there are for taxing industry.
Al Gore was the original Jonathan Gruber. Call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever.
This is the funniest joke I have seen in the news in the last 6 months. I have to give the liberals credit for creativity and imagination. They outdid themselves with .07 degrees over 18 years. Maybe I read it wrong. I think the world has bigger problems than that for the multitudes since we are on the brink of economic collapse which will generate a world war. That I believe is a much bigger issue.
Were the methods of calculating world wide temperatures accurate enough 100 years ago?
As the true believers of man made global warming have pointed out repeatedly weather is not climate.
The trends the true believers are looking for regarding predicting the future are in the hundredths of a degree change each year. For over 16 years even those very modest increases in temperature have not occurred as predicted.
Historic climate data shows both global warming and global cooling on a much larger scale.
For example Greenland is covered with ice today and has a climate today that is much too cold to raise horses or cattle without importing food for the animals on a huge scale.
However, hundreds of years before man began spewing industrial CO2 into the worlds atmosphere European settlers had huge dairy farms on Greenland. Then the climate shifted by tens of degrees ( not hundredths of degrees ) per year and both the dairy herds and the European settlers died out.
Archeology and crop records tell us these things world wide. Instruments that measure to the nearest hundredth of a degree are not needed for such huge changes in climate.
The current Global Warming computer models utterly fail when applied to historic climate data from more than a couple 100 years ago.
I do not think these NOAA and NASA folks are scientists. They do not understand significant figures. Half a degree F seems reasonable. Claiming a precision of 0.01 F is nonsensical. I am glad these folks are in “Global Warming / Climate Change / Mitigation / Extreme Weather” … otherwise they could do some real damage.
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I agree. Using computers I expect the result to have at least 12 decimal places. Somebody has been cheating here! The significant number might be in the “one’s” place. However, 12 more digits behind it would make it way more credible!
You’re sarcastic because you’re too stupid to understand basic math.
I am too stupid to understand math but I am very thrilled seeing a lot of numbers. The min I expect to see is 9 numbers, grouped together so that they look like a SSN!
I sell those.
You’re just babbling. You got nothing to say. No warming since 2005. That’s the facts. Continue babbling. I’m sure your side will win with that.
You are right! Our side will win. Obama and the EPA will see to that.
I can’t wait to hear Obama’s announcement of the rescue mission from the impending global warming disaster in his upcoming State of the Union Address. Our progress and implementation of the corrective actions will be swift, especially since we now have the Pope and his infallibility on our side!
I think you misspelled NOAA. Not NOAA but NOAH built some kind of ark to be saved from the rising sea. At his time and without computers somebody was already predicting horrendous climate changes. And the climate changed indeed!
Why does this site look like it was built in the 80’s and not updated since? It looks like my dog walked over my keyboard with an HTML editor open.
Elite progressives want a new carbon exchange to trade carbon like stocks! F all you liberal losers. The earth is cooling you F’in morons!
The hottest year?? I used my air conditioner exactly ONE time all summer. Hottest year my a$$.
The globe certainly has a fiver. We are going to die if we don’t intervene massively.
My body temperature has risen from 96.80 F to 96.87 F, a full 0,07 F. Panic stricken I rushed to the ER to be told that yes, some people become delusional at this temperature but there is nothing they can do since Obamacare doesn’t addresses this problem.
I wish Obama would and I think he could address this malady with his climate change initiatives. Praise Allah that he will and rescue me from my warmophobia!
in other words, “open your wallets, the end is near!!!!”
the masses are asses…..
Since all of the shrill warmist predictions have failed to materialize thus far, why would anyone but the most gullible fools think they have it right this time?
The most outspoken eco-wackos are all Gaia worshipers. They believe the Earth is the physical embodiment of their goddess and that humans are just a disease on its surface. It would be laughable but for the fact that they are in positions of power and able to make policy decisions that affect our lives.
The “greenhouse” effect is not the mechanism that greenhouses use to stay warm. Just FYI.
The data for a record hot 2014 come from NOAA and NASA who, as part of the federal government, parrot the narative . These agencies used to be unbiased and important. Now, like all other federal agencies, they have been infected with progressives from acedemia and are agenda driven.
More crap from the Obama camp.
Agreed. I’ve never looked hotter.
OK. I was a meteorologist, with 30 years experience. 20 of those years were in the US Air Force, dealing mainly with aviation meteorology topics. One of the primary tools I used to evaluate the atmosphere in the vertical was an atmospheric sounding, or Log P Skew-T, thermo-dynamic diagram. A fancy way of saying a balloon sounding. We used this information to compute pressure altitude (PA), and density altitude (DA). These were critical for aviation, as lift is reduced by heat, as well as by elevation. The value we used to compute PA and DA was called The Standard Atmosphere. Bear with me, I’m going somewhere with this. Back when I started in the weather business, this standard atmosphere, this mathematical CONSTANT, was 14 degrees celsius, as surface. Converted to English, this is 57.2F. As an Instructor in the Dept. of Defense Weather Training Division (all enlisted weather forecasters are trained here, for USAF, USMC, and USN…Army doesn’t have weather guys/gals), I taught this for years. Quite by accident, I discovered recently that the formula for computing PA and DA have been changed…one degree have been added to them. Yes…the mathematical constant for the average temperature of the atmosphere, critical for aviation safety, was modified. The constant. By scientists, that don’t give a shit about global climate change, or don’t care whether you are democrats or republicans. They. Don’t. Care. They’re scientists. THIS was when I realized that global climate change was real, and getting worse. I am 58 now..but I will see, in my lifetime, this mathematical constant go up again, from the current 15, up to some higher value.
“Science” is what Jonathon Gruber is talkin’ bout.
Tell the rubes whatever you want. They will link to the headline and go: See! It must be true.
Perhaps the global warming weenies can explain how we’re not still trapped in the Ice Age. Carbon footprint of Early Man, or is it perhaps methane from the bowels of the Wooly Mammoth? Or was it just the natural climate cycle of the earth?
Ha ha! The same cast of characters with their contribution to the discussion…just like tuning into MSNBC and having Rachel Madow talk over and over and over…it doesn’t validate it.
NASA, NOAA, and ESA…or these rejects? Hmmm, tough call.
I admire publications like the LA times and others, who have made the editorial choice to no longer give voice to climate change deniers. We get so caught up in equal time for dissenting opinion that we often give voice to ridiculous mind sets. It is as if an article about volcanic eruption would need to be balanced by a group claiming plate tectonics is some kind of power grab conspiracy. Those who choose to bury their heads in the sand cannot be helped. However there is no need to let them inhibit progress by clouding the issues at hand.
Well said!
Thank you.
Burn the heretics! The future should not belong to those who slander Gaia.
I harbor no ill will toward them. I just think of them as children acting out, getting in the way of those who care to accept the challenge we are faced with head on. Let the children play, just keep them out of the office.
Wow. Name calling and refusing to listen to scientific fact.
That is the trade mark of religious fanatics, not people who understand the scientific method.
Educated people rely on scientific journals, not the LA times for scientific information.
If you are claiming the majority of temperature measurements of atmospheric temperature world wide are accurate to better than a tenth of a degree you have destroyed your own credibility.
Oh? So free speech for everyone except those who disagree with the liberal narrative, eh?
Sounds like somebody who can’t defend their schpiel, so they want to silence their critics.
The scientists in this article use the warmists own data to shoot down the narrative. Warmists have no counter argument other than to deny that science.
Who’s the denier now?
Have your speech. My point is that nobody of significance is listening.
Typical Gruber goober response.
The reason democrats got so thoroughly wooped in the last election cycle is because America is waking up the the total lies being perpetrated by the liberal left.
If you don’t think that such a political annihilation was significant, then Gruber was right about you.
More & more, America is seeing thru the lies, as the comments on this & other comment sections will attest.
Liberals are losing control of the narrative, and it’s only a matter of time before they are the ones being ignored.
What blasphemous drivel. I am very offended by your attempt to blame clouding on us. Clouds cause global warming and it’s suddenly our fault?
Let me fix that for you;
A VALID analogy would be a bunch of liberal sheep saying that earthquakes are caused by Glo-Bull Warming, and the liberal media, as they always do, refusing to even acknowledge the existence of those suggesting we should also at least look at plate tectonics.
Who is Jon Gruber?
Nice Rand reference.
Gruber has been cloned, and now he is everywhere. He has become omnipresent!
NASA has zero credibility under Obama and the man he appointed chief, Charles Bolden:
“When I became the NASA administrator, (President Obama) charged me with three things,” Bolden said in the interview which aired last week. “One, he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math; he wanted me to expand our international relationships; and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math and engineering.”
What ever happened to just building space ships?
Just keep wasting billions on companies that fail within a couple years after promising to fix the climate. (Now that’s a boast and a half.) Obama even visited Solyndra and said it was our future. That future ended within 18 months after his visit. If there were a reasonable alternative to fossil fuels (and those deadly cow farts), I would be all for it. There isn’t.
Solar energy is an expanding market, notwithstanding your skepticism.
The question is will America capture that market or will China?
Solar energy is NOT a viable base load tech. There is nothing to capture. If YOU think it is, try to create a start power plant and sell your electricity without the government propping you up. You can’t. S, put up r g take a Dirt Nap.
I never said it was. I only said it is an expanding market.
NO, there isn’t. There is NO market for it. Like I said, put up or…
TROLL
The isn’t the question at all.
There are actually morons who believe that ANYONE alive today has experienced the “hottest year” on record for Earth? We know with ZERO uncertainty that the Earth has been MUCH warmer than it is today just several hundred years ago. You could wipe man off the face of the Earth and it wouldn’t change which way the climate is going (btw, the Earth is STILL coming out of the last major Ice Age and according to geologic records, will continue to warn until a temp of ~22c AVERAGE is reached.) No humans needed for that.
The earth was once 3000 degrees, so we have a long way to go to “hottest.”
The future does not belong to those who insult NASA and NOAA.
Raspberries to you imposter “scientists”.
NASA and NOAA no longer produce science, they produce dogma.
You got that right.
If it comes from nasa or noaa, you should automatically be sceptical. That is the reputation the have created for themselves.
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Pure name calling.
No facts from the religious fanatics who believe in Man Made Global Warming regardless of facts.
If I draw a picture of Al Gore, with the Warmistas try to behead me?
I wish that they would. We could all then draw one and gun them down as they come out of the woodwork!
Can we skip the middle man and just behead Al Gore?
Pay per view, here we come.
“The heat was driven by record warmth in the world’s oceans”
so the places where they made up the temperature data is what drove the results to be record-setting? who woulda guessed.
Al Gore must have a new World Banking/Taxing body of unelected, unaccountable fascists bureaucrats and goons with guns to take over your homes. While confiscating your money and making themselves rich. Death to the lot.
Let there be light
Time to return top management of NASA and NOAA back to engineers and scientist from the clowns in there now!
If the Earth warms by about 1.5 degrees, 16% more land would become arable. The Northwest passage will be open year round cutting shipping costs and time. Those are just two advantages for a warmer Earth. New York City was predicted to be underwater by 2010. Oh well, too bad on that one. If I fart more, could that happen? Beans for dinner, then.
Nuclear power is in fact the most expensive energy on earth. If the industry had to pay for itself and not externalize costs to the taxpayers, it would be broke tomorrow. BTW just who is responsible for your private industry’s waste and the pollution and security threat you represent? Your industry has never made a dime.
WRONG. It is expensive because of regs. Please show (with docs) where taxpayers are paying (not because of insane government mandates). Or, STFU
Just took delivery of my new new 2015 RAM Hemi. Yeah it drinks the gas, but I can afford it and the choice to buy this truck is mine! Tows my boat which has twins like a charm. So middle finger to all you phony GW Ecofreaks. I love every bit of HP this baby puts out. Next up. A new Escalade XL for the wife and kids!
you do know gm still owes the tax payer BILLIONS of dollars…. Its why I got an F350 , but for the same reasons
Can’t argue with the chief. It’s what she wants. I just pay.
well, I can’t argue with that, that’s a good answer ….lol oh , and I know the feeling
The climate is changing – sometimes it is warmer in places than it normally is and sometimes it is colder. Most of the increased energy from the sun, at least what we’re told every single time there is a coronal eruption from the sun (and nobody would seriously argue that we’re changing the sun would they?) makes it to earth by way of increased warmth and some days it is 1/100th of a degree warmer than it is on other days. This whole thing is such a disaster because people actually have sufficient levels of hubris to believe WE can change the climate of the earth in a SIGNIFICANT way. The West is so worried about climate change that we are missing the biggest issue to face the civilized world: radical Islamists taking up residence in places like France and Germany where it USED to be easy to get energy because they used nuclear technology, but after fears of a tsunami (from where – who knows) they opted for the reliable and dirty fuels coming form Putin’s Russia.
Global warming and then Climate Change all boils down to a new way for New World Order charlatans across the world to fleece developed countries out of wealth tin order to pour it into their own pockets with some going down various black holes. Until developed countries are as poor as developing countries these NWO Charlatans will not be happy. The world will then look a lot like the Soviet Union prior to its failure or the current day Cuba – a bunch of elite haves with everyone else as a have not. Look, learn. Is that what you really are looking forward to for your children and yourselves?
The high priests of the religious worldview of human caused climate continue to spout complete nonsense. Politicians love it because they are using it to further the tyranny of totalitarianism and totalitarian government which of course they intend to control and operate. We have our own totalitarian leader and party who propagates this insanity along with the American academia who preach this nonsense.
But if the government taxes my paycheck 100% IT WILL STOP!!! Kappa
Don’t you bet they are working on that as we type?
you know they are already salivating at getting their grubby hands on our 401k’s
Time for pitchforks!
Tell me again, what is the purpose of this global conspiracy of scientists against the United States?
There is none. Most scientists don’t buy the AGW BS.
There is none what? Conspiracy?
Grammar much? I was answering YOUR question. I apologize if English isn’t your first, second r third language.
Well and this question, there is none what?
ReaganFan answered your question.
No he didn’t, and I’m betting he can’t. “There is none.” might have made sense without the second sentence.
“There is none” makes no sense if he believe what he says in the second sentence.
Wait. Who is ReaganFan?
Are you getting your alternative personalities mixed up?
Follow the money. They get grants and other funding from governments. Government gets taxes and more control.
No conspiracy. Just a bunch ofsave the earth, poorly educated, low information people like yourself and liberal politicians who will use any excuse to raise taxes.
No conspiracy, just ignorance, greed and a thirst for power.
Basic human nature.
Scientists in the rest of the world don’t give a damned about your taxes.
Their governments do like US dollars though, don’t they!
I sure do miss the downvote. Cuz if it ain’t for downvotes, I don’t get no votes at all.
BRING IT BACK!!!!
This is when science becomes irrelevant………
The left is getting desperate , these are dangerous times… we are on to their scam, we are on to their redistributive policies, we all know they are completely nuts and we know they hate this country…. They just can’t hack it in the real world without someone else taking care of them…. They will be lashing out like this even more as they don’t get their way like petulant children….
Just for the sake of argument… please explain to me how raising taxes would EVER fix global warming if it was real? The “logic” of these people that think they can regulate human activity and the environment is beyond insanity. The more they put humanity in a control grid box… the more violent the human reaction is going to be in resistant to it. As for nature… it doesn’t give a fck what Al Gore and his buddies do in the name of saving the planet. Nature is going to do what it does and mankind will just be along for the ride.
I go by what I see in my part of the world. Over the last 24 years it’s been hotter than normal and colder than normal. Drought and record rain. 2014 was a year without a summer and 2013 was like living in Texas. Which one do I blame on global whatever it is called today?
What part of “global” don’t you understand?
I know what global is but know everyplace on earth goes through the same cycles of to hot to cold to dry to wet. In my part of Colorado we get most of our moisture during the monsoon season which usually starts in July. Have seen three huge fires in the last 24 years. Largest one in CO history stopped 2 miles from my house after 138 M acres burned then three years ago the most costly and two years ago the new most costly fire. Last year you couldn’t start a fire pouring gas on pine needles. Now tell me which one is caused by global warming?
Humans don’t live past a 100 years normally. The geologic deep time of nature is in the billions of years. Our little blip of perception isn’t a major indicator of the big picture. The dark ages were a period of global warming while the 1700 -1900s were a period of a mini-ice age.
My theory is it’s called the weather not the whether. Better to warm than
to cold as far as where I live.
this whole climate change “issue” is just the absolute dumbest $h1t ever.
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae272/devenlane66/MACROS/shootyourselfinthehead-1.gif
I am a skeptic, but I do believe that carbon control policies are a GOOD thing for air and water quality. We can argue whether the world is heating or cooling, but who can say that MORE carbon in the atmosphere is better for anyone?
I say – let the liberals win this one. We’ll all be better off as a result (except the coal miners, of course…)
Well I guess we can be grateful that these idiots were not around when half the US was under 200 ft of ice and it started to recede.
Much better to have an idiot tax.
Now of course democrats would be disproportionately hit, but what the hell.
Grubering Grubers Gruber, that is what they do.
Ask the Jews what they think about the Holocaust deniers and then ask Obama why those deniers cannot be eradicated. This pretty much explains the real problem at hand.
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So you are saying you want to exterminate billions of people to save the earth ?
That sounds like the very definition of a religious fanatic.
You are an utter fool. A Media Matters fool. Your own cooked data shows a tempt “rise” of 1/25 of a degree. A fraction of the margin of error. That means no change since 2005. There’s nothing there but a headline. You bringing the holocaust into it marks you as a clueless blithering idiot. You can’t defend your position with facts.
It was the label of holocaust-“denier” that was used to defame and disparage those who are skeptical of global warming, while the Holocaust deniers are still in our midst and well, having re-branded themselves as the ISIS.
Science is hard!!
Not for the man made global warming religious fanatics.
They just ignore all facts that disagrees with their belief system and pretend the scientific method has nothing to do with their warped view of science.
It’s not hard for the man made global warming religious fanatics because they graduated from college.
With worthless liberal arts degrees.
If they understand science the degrees are probably not in arts.
But, even an arts degree is better than being a high school drop out.
Yeah well you should have stayed in school!
Yes, clearly anyone who discovered that their 14th century art degree combined with a clean driving record could get them a job delivering pizza is a climate science ex-spurt that can not be questioned when mindlessly re-bleating liberal media sound bites.
If they understand science the degrees are probably not in arts.
Exactly.
Not as hard as your head!!!!
Lets invest taxpayer money in more green energy companies, that should cure the problem.
The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5
million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group
($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3
million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s
Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power
($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20
million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
NEVER count on a democrat to tell the truth.
They only do that for Big Money Fat Cat DNC donors…
Yeah.
Like Harry Reid trying to steal that Bundy guys land because it was in the way of a Chinese solar power project that Reid’s son was trying to put together.
The democrats look at GW with $$ in their eyes….
Short term thinking will be the end of the United States.
The US thinking like Europe will be the end of the US.
Europe has existed longer than the United States.
Not in its present form.
Yeah and they are TAXED to death and their culture is being eradicated by MARXIST DO GOODERS intent on showing the world how stupid they are.
Yup, and they don’t have economy that’s remotely close to ours. The US was the first person to put someone on the moon as well. We have the strongest military in the world with ridiculous technology. No one in the world comes close to the intellectual property either.
All this with Europe having a thousand year head start. Way to make your argument, buddy!
long term MARXIST global warming FACISM will end it sooner
Could you please send this report to the Pope ( in all due respect).
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I live in MN where it finally warmed up to 20 today after a stretch of sub 0. Since I want global warming now it sounds like I should I buy a PRIUS and not a Tahoe?
It’s beginning to piss me off. These leftist liars have no shame. They wake living the biggest lie everyday of their life as willing co-conspirators to one biggest frauds in human history
17 years is too short to see long term effects.
If you looked only at the period from 1940 to 1958 you could argue that the earth was heading into another ice age.
But that would not see the entire picture.
You just stepped on your own d!ck.
First your say the science is settled, and then you admit that the hypothesis has not even passed the first test on the way to becoming a scientific theory.
As you just pointed out – it is just a hypothesis that has not even accurately predicted the future yet.
Add to that that the hypothesis disagrees with most of the last 2,000 years of recorded history and you have just admited the totally fallacy of the “settled science” propaganda.
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Global Warming was politically correct before scientists had a chance to look into it. By the time they got around to looking into it, the politically correct crowd would have had them fired, or lynched them and their co-workers for daring to oppose their attempt to care for the environment (even though their policies would harm it). The illusion of caring is more important than the damage that their ignorance causes.
Nothing short term about the taxes proposed by the global warming fanatics.
They want permanent taxes on every financial transaction in the world and permanent taxes on every BTU of energy used in the world.
Just recently politicians are imposing new taxes on electric cars to replace the taxes lost from energy savings.
Follow the money and you will find the global warming tax and spend elites flying around in their private jets and living in their mansions around the world – it is all about the money.
Do you WANT to look stupid?
Taxes on electric cars is to replace highway maintenance taxes. Even electric cars need roads.
Whats that big fiery ball of nuclear fusion in the sky? Could that have anything to do with it?
I have been told that the effects of that thing are negligible compared to the effects of cow farts…
Solar output has decreased since 2000.
warming has decreased as well dip sh|t. Thanks for making my point
“Scientists balk at claims”
A group of has-been nobodies respond to research in the field they only comment on.
Yeah a group of wanabe’s that could care less about global warming compared to how much free money they get to keep their make believe jobs continue. Those are the ones we should listen to!
Sure its getting warmer. Keep telling yourself that WE have a significant effect on the global climate.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/65Myr.png
Nice graph…lets’ see, X-axis in tens of millions of years. Yup, we can conclude whatever is happening in the last 100 is OK.
Science for retards Vol 2
open your eyes. Do some research yourself.
And re-read that book. Might help ya.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/GlobalTemperaturesSince1991.png
Oooooh! I see. The scientists that generate this data really don’t know how to interpret it and people who make their own graphs from (where is this from again?) know better. Makes total sense.
Ah, you only trust liberal rags….Here. This you should believe.
http://cloudfront-media.reason.com/mc/_external/2013_06/global-temperature-trend-chart.png?h=260&w=450
Liberal rags, aka international scientific publications. Yes…they are all liberal. The world is based on a US partisan political structure.
Right. Theres a “consensus” so we all should just snap into line huh?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/18/what-else-did-the-97-of-scientists-say/
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136
If your doctor tells you you have cancer, call him a liberal hack and get a 2nd opinion from Rush Limbaugh.
I would get a second opinion no matter what. I wouldnt say “Yes W e Can” and give my doctor the keys to my house.
Keep shopping around until you find someone who tells you what you want to hear.
Cant. The “science is settled”, or didnt you hear?
That you have cancer is settled?
http://cancermisdiagnosisguide.com/
Yea, you might not. You should ALWAYS get a second opinion. Dont trust one source, then use that one source as all your facts. You want big government to solve climate? Look how big government has handled every other mess.
Who else would you trust? Corporations? the “Free Market?”
Actual data. You cant trust corporations any more than you can trust the big government that is controlled by them. If you think the government doesnt have its string pulled by lobbyists, then you are too far gone to help. If you think “scientists” that the government touts arent influenced by the money used to buy those studies the government agrees with, then you are naive.
A pretty clear upward progression if you use regression analysis.
Glad you mention that. http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/gisp-last-10000-new.png
And that relates to today how?
Wait, what’s that red spike at the right?
bunch of blue spike: “meh, not important”
one red spike “ZOMG THE WORLD IS BURNING!!!1!1!”
Downward trend: “……(sound of crickets)….”
This is all baloney. Everyone knows the earth is only 6,000 years old.
ok bud. Keep telling yourself that.
You’re the one that dodged the question about how climate 10000 years ago relates to today.
wait, you think that ONLY the climate of the last 50 years matters? Jesus, thats why you think this. Way to ignore CLIMATE and focus on WEATHER.
The world isnt 50 yeras old
You are still dodging.
not at all. It shows a downward trend, and that we are in an inter-glacial warming period. to ignore history and base all your facts on the last 50-100 years is completely ignorant of actual climate.
Great. Why is that relevant?
If theres a graph that ONLY shows a small representation, it looks like the data is alarming and going to continue. If you extend the graph to include more data, it becomes statistically improbably that the cause is humans, and not within the NATURAL VARIABILITY of climate.
Leftists only want the red spike, without looking at more.
Why are you talking to yourself?
I see a general cooling trend from about 700 years ago until very recently.
What changed to cause the reversal? Discontinuities have a cause, what is it?
Heat Island effect has more effect than CO2/Methane. Urban cities, collecting heat. Thermometers that were once in a field, but are now surrounded by concrete jungles and glass skyscrapers. The data is flawed, unless you take ice core samples, and ice core samples arent a day to day measurement.
If you have a thermometer, measuring the temp in one area, as a scientific method would have you not move the thermometer, you get a temperature. Then next year, you get another temp average. Then next year another. 20 years down the road, the city nearby has spread, and your thermometer is now surrounded by a city. What happens to the temp? What happens when temp rise in relation to WIND? weather patterns change. Weather patterns change and the once cooling wind doesnt blow as far south and is re-directed elsewhere or blocked.
The temp isnt being increased, the dtaa isnt being taken into account. We are in an inter-glacial period, and we WILL start cooling. Maybe not in our lifetimes, maybe not in our kids. We may warm a few degrees until them, but that doesnt mean the world will burn unless we raise taxes on gas.
http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/Atmosphere/images/heat_island_sm.jpg
More utter nonsense from our leftist government. Too bad that so many of us are realists trying to pay our heating bills. And they are only going up, not down. WHERE THE HE!! IS *MY* GLOBAL WARMING???
I had a huge lunch today. There’s none of this nonsense about hunger around the world.
Don’t fart!!! It will mean more “Global Warming”… right?
The drastic predictions from the 90s have not ever produced any results over 20 years. The “science” of “global warming” is really a political hoax and not based on observable data or true scientific experiment. Bork it.
So, do we trust tainted climatologists who depend on government grants or untainted climatologists who don’t? No-brainer on that one.
Obama wants that carbon tax! The gasoline tax and all the other energy taxes just aren’t cutting it.
This is what I hear whenever some treehugger tries to debate global warming.
http://www.tubechop.com/watch/4482559
We have so many tree huggers here in Washington State, yet they go to
Oregon to chop down their Christmas trees. Don’t get me wrong I love trees, and
I have plenty in my yard. However I find that kind of hypocritical.
NASA will print anything King Obammy and the slimy politicians want. It’s all about the funding.
And the results are always about more taxation.
Lol, conservatives are in full damage control. Can you stop denying facts so we can work together on a solution to the climate crisis?
Sure. But let’s use your wallet for a change.
Where can I get some of your “Global Warming”? I am f’ing freezing here!!!
You are insane
I have a solution! All you man made global warming people should move to Antarctica. Then you will be glad when it warms up into the high 30 deg F. range during the summer.
84 degrees I can handle. But 84.00000034 degrees and I hit the beach.
1,000 up votes from me!
If a “scientific study” is funded by the current US Federal Government it can safely be dismissed as a total and complete lie.
I’m going to mix a bunch of vinegar and baking soda together, just to pee in the face of the alarmists.
If you Global warming kooks still believe the biggest hoaxes ever put on man kind, then why don’t you take your car and have it destroyed live in a only solar powered house and only ride a bike . Live your lie don’t just preach it!
Conservatives have made their minds up about global warming because of political reasons, rather than scientific reasons.
I’m consrevative and in science-too small of a sample period.
Liberals have made their minds up about global warming because of political reasons, rather than scientific reasons.
No, the scientific consensus is aligned with the liberal views.
Consensus…LOL. That means there isn’t any proof. There used to be consensus that Earth was the center of the universe.
Not to mention that there was also a consensus that the Earth was flat.
no-too small of sample.
There is no “consensus” in real science. You anti-human Malthusian totalitarians have been trying to kill off people with one control scam after another for the last two hundred years. Even your lords and saviors Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx mocked Malthus’ “vile and infamous doctrine” of attempting to control everyone’s lives and productivity.
oh and BTW Rutgers climatologist like to be alarmist ,they tend to forget about statistics like the floods in NJ
hide the decline!
You belong to the church of man made climate change. Karl Marx belonged to the same church only then the claim was man made climate cooling.
Learn some history and you will find that the Earth has warmed and cooled many times throughout the ages. In fact there were two times when it was an ice ball.
The last time the earth was an ice ball, there was not trillions of people on the planet, and a significant percentage of these people live on the edge of starvation already, with out the hardship of an frozen earth would entail. You sound like an person whom doesn’t care about anybody but youself, an person worse than Hitler.
Haha . Starvation, really? All I see is an obesity epidemic.
“Caring” is a meaningless word when one is discussing actual events of the distant past. When this planet was an ice ball the only life that was here was in the then omnipresent ocean.
However, there is evidence that prior to the last ice age mankind may have had a highly technical civilization that was destroyed by that ice age or the aftermath of said age. There are observable ruins on the floor of the Mediterranean and Black seas because the water level was lower by 450-500 feet. There are also unexplainable artifacts that don’t correlate with the knowledge of the civilization that has them like the “Mayan” calendar which measures accurately the Earths unobservable precession.
I realize that it is easier to buy into lies than it is to learn actual history. The truth is that this planet doesn’t “care”, it responds to actual stimulus like the energy that comes from the Sun or the lack thereof.
Again no disrespect to the climatologist at Rutgers we don’t have temperatures before 5000 years and like electronics,rate sensing equipment,etc you can have reoccurances over longer periods of time,that is this higher temp(assuming for now their data is correct) may be normal every 1million years. Conclusion too small of sample no matter how they try to spin it.
They are measuring methane trapped in air bubbles from ice cores drilled from Vvladivostok Russia at a depth of many tens of thousands of years old by gas chromatography. The last time the parts per million level was approaching a level now believed to be reachable within a hundred years, alligators and palm trees we living in Greenland.
More hot air or I should say “error” from NASA the once vaunted space agency…more recently of muslim outreach note!
Lets face the facts, those that are destroying the earth are the Chemical spraying HARRP building super colliding weather manipulating sonar aquatic life killing war mongering power elite who need distractions like it must be the cow shit. I say Horse shit!
Democrats are only about lies and the Gruber approved idiots that believe them . The hoax is up , Global warming is billion dollar business liberals don’t want to give up, simple as that.
Not so easy to blame the democrats for everything with the recent support thrown around boener!
A progressive R is no different than a progressive D.
Both problems can be corrected with a short rope and a long drop.
Not progressive about conservative Christian core values. I like to call it normal in a post Christian society. Maybe your confused. Wolves in sheep’s clothing are still wolves
Then you don’t know what he actually is.
Who does? Says one thing does another. Sounds like a politician.
Look at their actions, ignore their words. Boehner has always played the “conservative” but he usually votes as a progressive (79% of the time).
97% of climate scientists agree on the reality of man-made climate change! When are you conservative simpletons going to get this through your thick, ignorant skulls?
liar
Another liberal lie!
Talk about ignorance! Even your handle proclaims what you are.
These scifi scientists are agenda driven and not interested in science as fact. Just science that carries the biggest purse strings.
Forbes: Global warming alarmists and their allies in the liberal media have been caught doctoring the results of a widely cited paper asserting there is a 97-percent scientific consensus regarding human-caused global warming. After taking a closer look at the paper, investigative journalists report the authors’ claims of a 97-pecent consensus relied on the authors misclassifying the papers of some of the world’s most prominent global warming skeptics. At the same time, the authors deliberately presented a meaningless survey question so they could twist the responses to fit their own preconceived global warming alarmism.
There ya go buddy. You are believing a LIE.
He’s trying to prove how correct Gruber is.
GEE, WHO SHOULD I TRUST ON THIS ISSUE? SOME IDIOT WRITER FOR A FINANCIAL MAGAZINE THAT HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN BIG BUSINESS, OR PEER-REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS? THAT’S A TOUGH ONE
who should I trust “scientists” that live on grants to keep them going (off issue: all these research with grants on diseases how come no cures? Yet no funding polio was cured fast) and Chicago Carbon Exchange investors. I’ll trust a financial journal)
They had to downgrade it to climate change from global warming because it is just not true.
so when is science a consensus? One scientist like an Einstein can turn the “science” community on its ear. Remember there was 97% scientists that agreed on stuff that was now dis-proven.
People who believe that Noah’s Ark is a true story are never going to think rationally and critically when provided evidence which goes against their beliefs.
Actually, Christianity and the Glo-Bull Warming Cult are two separate and distinct religions.
Even though the commonality of a fable about cataclysmic sea rising is in fact found in Christianity, the Glo-Bull Warming Cult, and several other religions.
I am a volunteer weather observer for the National Weather Service. Awhile back the web site headlined the NASA claim that 2014 was a record breaking warm year. I ignored it as a waste of time. These other scientists prove I used good judgement.
Any information that comes from any agency aligned with the federal government has 0 credibility as does congress, our president, and the rest of the dung pile we call our federal government.
Brachium wrote:
“17 years is too short to see long term effects.”
Thank-you.
The reason the educated defenders of man made global warming will tell any lie to avoid admitting, what you just admitted, is that scientists know such an admission proves that the hypothesis’s prediction ability has not even been tested yet. After that admission all a scientist can say in support is the hypothesis has not been adequately tested yet and is neither true nor false – just untested.
That is the reason the lie about the 2014 is the warmest year in history is being repeated over and over again.
Global temperature change in the last 16 years has been flat withing the margin of error and the man made global warming hypothesis predicts it will increase steadily. One could argue, as you just did, that 16 years mean nothing, but the problem is, those same people have claimed the 16 years of prediction before it were more than enough to settle the science.
If a period of 16 years of prediction is not enough, then there is no theory of man made global warming just an untested hypothesis – the scientific method catches liars every time – it just takes time.
Look at the chart. Which direction is the long term trend moving?
If you have actually examined the overwhelming evidence that supports the existence of man-made climate change and you are a still a denier:
1. Go purchase a large caliber handgun
2. Put it in your mouth
3. Blow your feeble conservative brains out!
LOL, if you believe evidence which has been manipulated by Seantists who are money grubbing grant schemers you are the fool… But to instruct you in how to end your worthless existence, we know you won’t buy a gun because you are scared of an object as though it were creeping up on people and killing them out of conservative faithfullness, now who is the idiot in these two scenarios???? I think most can judge you to be the pot calling the kettle black
Follow the money!!
Why ask NASA or NOAA when Obama can tell their findings, first hand. The ‘government’ tells these agencies what it wants them to find …. look at the CDC and ebola. Global warming has become Climate change … what we really would like to see is administration change.
Maybe the 17 year “pause” is cause by decreasing solar activity for the last 15 years.
It’s the hanging chad of glowbull warming.
He$$ the pope is a scientist now.
AGW is loved by communists and illuminati for it raises elites to rulers and creates serfs. The Pope wants to be the religious wing of the ruling class.
Not in my book..He’s just a man who puts on his pants like me.
Witness:
It’s always don’t do as I do but do as I tell you to do.As the all the rich hogs fly around and live in big house and have lots of cars.LOL
I’m going to cut right to the bone with my comment…. lets get to what is really going on.
This is not about money, even though lots of money can be made from it.
This climate change hoax is about control.
The leaders of the world are using climate change as an EXCUSE to put the citizens of the world in POVERTY. They want a two class system, the very rich, and the very poor… NO MIDDLE CLASS except for the military.
Climate change is one of the tools they are using to force this change on us. They want us BROKE AND BUSTED, living in large cities and dependent on THEM. We will go and beg from them for everything… for food, electricity, and healthcare.
Basically, they want the ENTIRE WORLD to look like NORTH KOREA. That is why they are shutting things down all over the world. This is why Obama and the EPA is shutting down our PERFECTLY GOOD power plants, straining the system, and raising electric prices.
THEY HAVE AN AGENDA AND ARE FEEDING US A LINE OF BULL.
And we need to tell them to stick it where the sun don’t shine.
We have interesting conservative arguments going here.
One argument is that 10 million years of climate change proves that nothing is happening today.
The other argument is that things haven’t changed in the last 15 years which proves that nothing is happening today.
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10 million years or 10 years, but conservatives ignore 100 years, the time since the beginning of the industrial revolution and the utilization of fossil fuels.
Witness This:
Um… climate has been changing for 10 years, 100 years and 10,000,000 years… I think people with a brain know that people contribute less than 3% of CO2 and that the earth, that C02 is responsible for plant growth and the correlate them to green house effects is the most moronic thing a person could ever say!
Is 3% a lot or a little? The fact that CO2 is essential does not mean more is better.
It means that we are the underwhelming factor in C02 emissions you puppet boy…. And you missed the point, C02 is good for plant growth which leads to more food and so forth, but never mind….
What is the foundation for your speculative argument than 3% is insignificant? 3% of carbon monoxide would be deadly.
Since the Maunder Minimum ended in 1855 there hasn’t been even 200 years of “normal” weather. Or is it normal? perhaps it is the Maunder Minimum that is normal?
Or perhaps the roughly 75,000 years of ice ages during the last 105,000 years on this planet is normal.
Who knows?
And what is your response to the correlation between the industrial revolution and use of fossil fuels and the beginning of increasing temperatures?
See graph below for a comparison of global average temps during the industrial era. Amazingly stable temp while CO2 has grown 10X.
I don’t see a graph.
For the Blind, here it is again.
I see a chart with a vertical scale from -40 to +120, and a horizontal scale from 1881 to 2013, and a bunch of vertical red bar reaching to about 55. What am I supposed to glean from this?
Yearly global average temp from Goddard Institute. You seem to have trouble assimilating simple information.
I’m not sure your chart is coming through correctly. A vertical range of 160 degrees when we are looking for changes of 2 to 5 degrees masks the changes. Is this the way the chart was suppose to come through?
The scale represents the real range of temperature and the chart simulates an alcohol thermometer. We are not looking at a difference of 2 to 5 degrees, we are looking a variation of around one degree in an average around 58 degrees F. There are many issues with measurement precision, accuracy, and data manipulation that make the averages suspect, however, this chart illustrates that the temp has been about 58 degrees F even during a period of rapid CO2 growth and heat generation from the human population. It is a great illustration of the Chicken Little behavior of the warmistas.
Traditionally, scientist try to adjust the vertical scale to the range of variability of the data. A range from -40 to +120 makes no sense. You could have made the bottom absolute zero if you wanted to hide the data better.
correlation and causation rarely have anything to do with each other.
Which is precisely why I didn’t say the industrial revolution cause it. But you can’t just ignore it.
Isn’t it strange that the industrial revolution occurred during the Maunder Minimum? Isn’t it even stranger that during the last 105,000 years there were three separate and distinct ice ages that all lasted roughly 25,000 years?
It must have been those pesky cave men driving around in their nasty SUV’s.
What is all of that arm waving supposed to mean?
I’m trying to drive the bats out of your belfry.
You will need to construct a cogent and coherent argument without the hyperbole to do that.
Why would I want to do that? Bats are an endangered species. Progressives aren’t, at least not yet.
If you can’t make a cogent and coherent argument why didn’t you just say so?
Again you can have the same plots that happens every say every 1million years. For Christ sakes I know this and I’m only an engineer,yet PhD’s forget simple statistics.
Global warming is good. Ice ages are bad. We’re now entering bad. Just look at the record amount of ice on and around Antarctica, despite the increase in volcanic activity on the western side. The sea ice at the North Pole is also growing. And Al Gore predicted just the opposite. I’m not sure if his problem is more greed or more stupidity. Regardless, it’s a combination of both.
Live your kooky liberal lies! Why are you on a computer the electricity is generated most likely by fossil fuels give up your cars, no that’s right you are a bunch of hypocrites!
The supposedly observed change is miniscule over the last 100 odd years? How many measuring stations did they have in 1880? We didn’t even have close to accurate methods to measure global temp until the 80s and it didn’t get good until the period of time that it supposedly went on pause. Then you have to compare that to the other 4 billion years that we have no real information at all about (we know large things, like there is a plant that required x temp, but no real data). Basically, this whole thing is made up with no actual rise in temp over the actual period that we could actually measure and document temps.
See global average temp series below.
I know what they are and how we got them. I also know that they are meaningless in the time period that we are talking about.
Just agreeing with you. The graph illustrates what the yearly global average temp during the industrial age would look like on an alcohol thermometer. Very difficult to read temp to a hundredth of a degree and amazingly stable over this period.
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Is that the percentage of people you talk to that you annoy?
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Sooner or later you will realize that the fight is now getting serious and you will stop trolling the boards making jokes.
Time for you to stop making jokes and messing around and start fighting… we dont have much time left and you are wasting it.
These boards used to be crawling with trolls… most have now stopped and joined the fight.
Time to grow up and grab your weapon.
Gaaa…are you STILL quoting that? Then you haven’t had the courage to read the statistical methods used and questions asked in the survey. And that’s all it was…a survey. It was not only incredibly slanted in it’s questions (which permitted only a yes or no answer to every question, but only about four percent of those receiving the survey bothered to respond…of the remaining four percent, only about 7% had ANY background in climate science.
Forbes: Global warming alarmists and their allies in the liberal media have been caught doctoring the results of a widely cited paper asserting there is a 97-percent scientific consensus regarding human-caused global warming. After taking a closer look at the paper, investigative journalists report the authors’ claims of a 97-pecent consensus relied on the authors misclassifying the papers of some of the world’s most prominent global warming skeptics. At the same time, the authors deliberately presented a meaningless survey question so they could twist the responses to fit their own preconceived global warming alarmism.
There ya go buddy. You are believing a LIE.
I am so very proud of you. You have finally learned how to correctly spell two words: ninety and seven.
Here are three more words you could learn to spell: get a life.
so science is NOT A CONSENSUS. Maybe this is why since Einstein ,science has slowed down
97% of preachers believe in God too… so I guess according to your methods.. God exists!
Is that the proportion of global warming hysterics that are certifiably brain-dead? Or the proportion of “scientists” paid to arrive at predetermined conclusions of imminent AGW catastrophe by limousine liberal opportunists like Al Gore? Or is it the percentage of the global population with an IQ above 10 that recognize this as the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on mankind? Or is it the Decrepitude Quotient of the average Useful Idiot?
Here’s a good article for you, it’s titled
Global Warming Alarmists Caught Doctoring ’97-Percent Consensus’ Claims
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/05/30/global-warming-alarmists-caught-doctoring-97-percent-consensus-claims/
“you morons!”
Put you money where you mouth is( or your bold type) .You Liberals are always on the road while saving the planet,burning fossil fuels.In NJ the bastion of liberalism the roads are always crowded with you libs. You don’t practice what you preach Rev. This is why Conservatives are skeptical (which is healthy in science) because the AGW crowd is on yachts,G5 jets,private 747’s.Chicago Carbon Exchange says it all
So it went from New Ice Age to Global Warming to Climate Change to Climate Disruption.
Every time we call them on it, they change the name of the same old bull story.
The earth does what it will do, we just live on it. What stupid people tend to forget is the planet goes through all kinds of patterns including weather. Always has, always will. We’re just fleas on its back.
seems funny to me that the man caused global warming map shows all the red in places MAN BARELY LIVES.. north east Russia.. middle of Australia.. seas east of Greenland.. wake me up when its over cities filled with millions of PEOPLE.
A little girl was talking to her teacher about climate change.
The teacher said this is the first anthropogenic climate change we ever had.
The little girl stated that the biblical flood was another.
Irritated, the teacher reiterated that it is the first; at that time it was impossible.
The little girl said, “When I get to heaven I will ask Noah”.
The teacher asked, “What if Noah went to hell?”
The little girl replied, “Then you ask him”.
You can watch Global Warming fraud happening in Real Time, using only an accurate thermometer and your smart phone. The weather app on your smart phone displays the current temperature as measured by a nearby weather station. This is the same temperature data that is used to “confirm” Global Warming. But is this data accurate?
See for yourself!
Simply install an accurate thermometer in an appropriate location, out of direct sunlight and away from any obvious sources of heat, like black pavement, a chimney or an air conditioning condensing unit.
Then open the weather app on your smart phone and compare it to the temperature on your thermometer. Chances are, the temperature on your phone will be 2-3 degrees F higher than the temperature on your thermometer. This will be true, day after day.
Then, as you go about your daily business, every time you see a thermometer, check the temperature of that location on your smart phone against the thermometer. You will see that the smart phone is again, 2-3 degrees F higher, in location after location.
The data from the official weather station in most cases is consistently biased high, and it is high by a lot, not by a fractional degree, but by two or three Degrees F. Is it any wonder that every year is the hottest ever measured, when the data is wrong?
The fraud is happening at the very lowest level. Everybody wants to tell the noble lie to save the planet. They know Global Warming is happening, and they will do whatever it takes to prove it!
Only the hard core leftist believers still give a crap about this. Everyone else have heard enough lies to disregard the same dire predictions over and over and over again.
Does this go along with “If you like your health care you can keep your health care”?
Pretty much.
If we think we have the power to warm the planet, then we should do just that. Anyone who want to push us toward an ice age is high on stupidity. Many of these so called scientists need to fess up on why they want the mass extinction of human life an ice age would bring via starvation. This is the more important point. Why do they want death and depopulation because this is not science it is a philosophy? It is also an illegal philosophy to have. Just like Hitler these warming extremists want lots of people to die and are creating policies to see this through by directly supporting things that would lead to another ice age. A warmer planet means MORE food and continued prosperity for humans around the globe. An ice age means the abolition of Canada and the Northern USA and all the food we currently produce and mass starvation around the world.
Of course all of this thinking still depends on whether or not we believe humans have the power to change the climate and scientists do not agree humans have this ability.
I’m all for the warming, it was -30 with the wind chill last week
According to Al Gore 2014 was the end of polar ice caps, but in fact they have grown in size. Everything they say is debunked by nature, what a laugh!
What do clouds want to be when they grow up?
Thunderstorms
How many climate dorks does it take to prove global warming?
No one listens to those losers.
The sun is entering into another minimum phase that could last 50 years.
What will the global warming pushers say when we have 50 years of harsh winters and snow in June in Kansas?
The last mimimum happened a few centuries ago, and froze rivers and lakes solid. It is documented in paintings and literature. Snow literally topped houses, and people dug tunnels to get around town.
That time is coming again… in about 5 years we will get a full dose of it, and it will continue for several decades.
Lets see how they will spin that.
They would rather ignore 1815 because that was the year without a summer. It snowed during July in Ohio.
Since the world is coming to an end, I might as well book that vacation to Aruba before it is under water…..
It’s like saying i got taller because my hair grew
Climate alarmists will NEVER recant. They have entirely too much of their reputations invested.
Man, reading through this comment section it is pretty clear the Drudge herd had descended here. These guys sure do love having their own uninformed opinion regurgitated back them. It’s like some creepy digital circle jerk.
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i believe you are talking about the MSNBC crowd
I wouldn’t know. Those guys are nuts.
Yea…how dare they oppose global warming! And who do they think they are exactly to read news articles from multiple sources?!!
They are free to oppose what they want, and read what they like. I’m just making the observation. They are fanatical and tribal, but ultimately harmless and insignificant. Nobody of import buys into this websites rantings.
You just described liberalism…minus the harmless part.
I see. The old “I’m rubber you’re glue defense”. You are a cagey adversary.
Cool. Let me know which day the world is going to end because of Global Warming. That is if the Government can’t step in to save the day!
Oh don’t be such a drama queen. There are no serious voices saying the world is going to end. Simply that a changing climate is going to create all kinds of socioeconomic problems for future generations, and it probably can’t be prevented entirely, the effects can be mitigated if we are bold enough to face the problem and work on real solutions. But I guess it is easier to stick your fingers in your ears and scream lalalalalala, and pretend all is well. Don’t worry. The grown ups are on it. Just get back to whatever it is you were doing.
Maybe the government should work on fixing the VA, Post Office, Social Security, open boarders, DMV, etc. before they take on the challenge of the entire Earth’s climate?
But I guess it is easier to stick your fingers in my wallet and take my money.
I should hope we can multi task.
Its nice to know that you admit to what you are: a zombie.
Zombie pride representing right here. The un-dead are people too, at least they used to be.
I must admit that my grandson’s were right. People seem to like to purchase stories about them.
you’re here circle jerker
I am. It’s true. I sometimes like to check on the looney bin from time to time, at least drudge keeps his flock in a tight little bunch. I read all sorts of stories from all sorts of sources. Unlike most, I don’t just go where I know my own opinions will simply be echoed back to me. I don’t need that level of reinforcement.
Speaking of looney bin, what’s it like to keep defending global warming on a thread when the article above is completely contradicting your belief?
I find it satisfying. No point in preaching to the converted. I bring my wit and wisdom to those who need it most. You are welcome for my selfless service, given free of charge!
Well we’ll mark this down as the first time a liberal doesn’t want someone else’s money.
Seriously though…you realize you’re arguing Global Warming with everything above you telling you it’s junk science?
Yes. I realize that. And I’m not sure what is liberal about my positions. Is science liberal?
and worth every cent.
Liberals think there is still more stupid to mine.
The agenda 21 crowd expects you to believe that a .01% increase one year (or one four billionth of earth history) is a problem. They also expect you to believe this is a historical high mark for the planet. Remember the 4 billion other years? This is literally the most stable this planet has ever been. Hell in another 4 billion years the sun will engulf the planet anyways. Bring on the carbon taxes!!! KFTC
Don’t worry, if history is any guide, 2014 will get colder and colder as time goes by.
That reminds me of the Obama economy when the jobless numbers come out and then are revised up a couple weeks later.
The problem with those numbers is that they lack perspective. Yes, there have been 10 million jobs “created” in the last 50 years, but tons of them are low wage and we still lose more jobs every month when compared to how many people enter the jobs market. We are probably 20 million below where we were in 2008 even with the supposed gains.
“blah blah blah….700K jobs lost a month…blah blah blah Bush’s fault”
~any liberal you’ve spoken to on these threads
I understand