Climate Depot Exclusive
Dr. Richard Lindzen – Professor Emeritus, MIT, Distinguished Senior Fellow, Cato Institute:
Dr. Richard Lindzen told Climate Depot:
“Climate change is of course real; change being the normal state of affairs in climate Climate change has caused catastrophic problems on occasion throughout the earth’s history While man may have contributed somewhat to climate change in recent years, his contribution to the above is highly questionable, and continues to be debated.
Moreover, the incidence of severe events shows no particular deviation from historical expectations. Attempts to claim otherwise represent an attempt to hijack science for political purposes. In the case of Bernie Sanders, a socialist, he is undoubtedly dreaming about nationalizing the energy industry.
For the US Senate to accept guidance from Sanders’ bizarre dreams is ludicrous.”
End Lindzen statement.
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Related Links:
U.S. Senate to vote on: ‘Climate change has already caused devastating problems in the U.S. and around the world’ – The Sanders amendment takes direct aim at Republican climate change deniers:
It is the sense of Congress that Congress is in agreement with the opinion of virtually the entire worldwide scientific community that— (1) climate change is real; (2) climate change is caused by human activities; (3) climate change has already caused devastating problems in the United States and around the world; Sen. Sanders said, “The American people need to know whether Congress is listening to the overwhelming majority of scientists when it comes to climate change. On this issue, the scientists have been virtually unanimous in saying that climate change is real, it is caused by human action, it is already causing devastating problems which will only get worse in the future and that we need to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel. Do members of Congress believe the scientists or not?”
U.S. Senate to vote on whether ‘climate change is happening’ – The Sanders measure asks whether lawmakers agree with the overwhelming consensus of scientists who say climate change is impacting the planet and is worsened by human-caused greenhouse gas emissions.
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Well, it’s fitting that a self-styled socialist take the lead in enslaving the planet in the name of the Big Myth of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming, which like the idea that Communism actually worked, is fast becoming the Big Lie of CAGW.
As an undergraduate in Geology at Oxford many years ago the value of using multiple working hypotheses in scientific problems was impressed upon me.The worst scientific error of the alarmist climate establishment is their unshakeable faith in the meaningless model outputs and their refusal to estimate the possible impacts of a cooling rather than a warming world and then consider what strategies might best be used in adapting to the eventuality that cooling actually develops.
The IPCC climate models are built without regard to the natural 60 and more importantly 1000 year periodicities so obvious in the temperature record. This approach is a scientific disaster and lacks even average commonsense .It is like taking the temperature trend from say Feb – July and projecting it ahead linearly for 20 years or so. The models are back tuned for less than 100 years when the relevant time scale is millennial.
The entire UNFCCC -IPCC circus is a farce – based, as it is, on the impacts of the CAGW scenarios of the IPCC models which do not have even heuristic value. See Section 1 at http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com/2014/07/climate-forecasting-methods-and-cooling.html
Section 2 shows that the earth is entering a cooling trend which will possibly last for 600 years. See also
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1980.1/plot/rss/from:1980.1/to:2003.6/trend/plot/rss/from:2003.6/trend.
for what me might call “ peak heat “ of the millennial trend in about 2003.
The first link also provides forecasts of the timing and extent of the coming cooling.
Obama has surrounded himself by a circle of true believers in the CAGW delusion e.g Holdren and Kerry . A better CEO would ensure that he had heard from scientific devils advocate when considering his climate and energy policies. Sanders of course represents those who think that scientific matters can be decided by consensus vote after which no debate should be allowed.
the alarmist hoax comports with obama’s big govt agenda. he doesnt want to hear the truth about climate.
My husband worked with a team that developed the sensors located on satellites that detect pollutants in the atmosphere. He an the people he worked with are educated and actually compete for excellence. The only liars are wanna be scientists and garbage like Lindzen who were bought off and corrupt. If you’re so sure IPPC is wrong, why don’t you and your family move to sunny California near Aliso Canyon where there is a massive methane leak. According to you it’s good for the environment. Put your family where your mouth is.
After the economic case for communism collapsed with the fall of the USSR all the Reds looked around and asked how are we to make our dream of a one world government come true.
The answer was the environment If we convince the people that the world will end unless they completely subjugate themselves on the alter of Gaia we can control everyone and everything. CO2 control means control of all modernity.
Dr. Lindzen says it all. Sanders is doing his normal far-left grandstanding, and should be rejected for what it is.
Yeah, he says all you want to hear. And he is wrong. Not that you care to check on this.
Climate forecasting is best approached through consideration of the natural cycles
See http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com/2014/07/climate-forecasting-methods-and-cooling.html
Suzanne and other readers are encouraged to take the time to read and digest
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fprincipia-scientific.org%2Fpublications%2FPSI_Miatello_Refutation_GHE.pdf&ei=-5G2VP3YB8G8ggSi1IOYDA&usg=AFQjCNECt_RAPMgotfZPalUH3_5_ScFB5A&sig2=CBg5_-ds3lLdvfTPabqf1w&bvm=bv.83640239,d.eXY
Here is a quote from the abstract
“In the case of Earth’s atmosphere with relatively high rarefaction and transparency and an active water cycle, which does not exist on Venus,Saturn, or Jupiter, the main factors influencing heat transfer are irradiance related to solar cycles and the water cycle,
including evaporation, rain, snow, and ice, that regulates alteration of the atmospheric gradient from dry to humid.
Therefore, the so-called “greenhouse effect” and pseudo-mechanisms, such as “backradiation,” have no scientific basis
and are contradicted by all laws of physics and thermodynamics, including calorimetry, yields of atmospheric gases’
thermodynamic cycles, entropy, heat flows to the Earth’s surface, wave mechanics, and the 1st and 2nd laws of
thermodynamics.”
The entire CO2 – GHG scare is a scientific scandal of major proportions
“Therefore, the so-called “greenhouse effect” and pseudo-mechanisms, such as “backradiation,” have no scientific basis
and are contradicted by all laws of physics and thermodynamics…”
And he does all that in a bit over 40 pages!
Woot!
He is not a PhD professor at MIT because he is wrong. No, he definitely knows what he is talking about.
Thank you, Dr. Lindzen, for having the courage and the technical expertise to speak out on the abuse of science to support a political agenda.
The original (1945) political agenda, “to save the world from nuclear annihilation,” was triggered by [1] and produced [2,3]:
1. Aston’s promise and warning about nuclear energy in his Nobel Lecture on 12 DEC 1922 [1].
2. Unreported chaos & fear of world- wide nuclear annihilation in AUG-SEPT 1945 [1].
3. Wide-spread acceptance of false nuclear and stellar models in 1946 [2]
4. Failure to appreciate the Sun as the creator, destroyer and sustainer of every atom, life and world in the solar system today [3], . . .
. . . a volume of space that has now expanded over the past five billion years to be greater than the combined volumes of ten billion, billion Earth’s!
References:
1. Aston’s PROMISE & WARNING (12 Dec 1922); CHAOS & FEAR (Aug -Sept 1945) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/CHAOS_and_FEAR_August_1945.pdf
2. Why Did Our Government Deceive? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/
u/10640850/WHY.pdf
3. “Solar energy,” Advances in Astronomy (submitted 1 Sept 2014) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Solar_Energy.pdf
Number 4 should actually read, “Failure to appreciate the Son, Jesus Christ, as the Creator, Destroyer and Sustainer of every atom, life, and world in the Universe today…”. Just saying.
The pulsar at the core of the Sun is only the Creator and Sustainer of atoms, lives and worlds in the Solar System.
There is probably a pulsar in the core of every ordinary star.
He has no courage. He is wrong and an attention grabber. Climate change is very real and dangerous. Bernie Sanders knows this. He cares. If anyone is being political it is Lindzen. http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-scientists-take-on-Richard-Lindzen.html
Sorry, Suzanne, but the
1. Global Climate Model
2 Standard Solar Model
yoiu are an idiot suzanne
The net effect according to global warming theorists is 0.5 C per century. How is this dangerous? Climate change was instrumental in the fall of the Roman Empire, the Khmer, and the Mayan civilizations. But these change events were cooling. The climate is always changing. Screaming climate change is about as significant of a fact as screaming the earth circles the sun. The earth is still much cooler than it was at the time of Christ. If you want to be alarmed, fear the destruction of ocean habitat through deadzones from industrial polution and the rainforests of the world. This has much more effect on the climate than burning fossil fuels.
Why does Skeptical Science completely deny the pause on one page and have another section that has multiple attempts to explain the pause? If the pause isn’t happening, as they claim, there is no need to explain why it’s happening. It’s direct contradiction.
Why did Skeptical Science edit my post to make it appear I supported their position when I clearly opposed it? They have done this to me twice. Two other times when I pointed out empirical data that refuted their position, my post were deleted in mere minutes. My name was then blocked. All I did was tell the truth. They wanted no part of it. No other climate website has ever edited or deleted my posts.
It’s called censorship. It disqualifies them as a legitimate source of science. Science welcomes dissent and discussion. At least it used to.
It is scary – this is how fascism works – you call people who disagree on very sound technical terms “deniers” (i.e. holocaust deniers). With this communist at the helm, the progressive wing-nuts are on a rampage, getting away with it to, because people have lost the ability to speak up due to the fear of being labeled – I say label me all you wan’t. As I enjoy this 55 degree day, and much lower than normal temps in St. Louis this week, and June for forecasts to be way below normal for highs and lows, I am told I don’t understand how climate change works. However, I read the technical articles as I am very competent in several science disciplines, and it is so clear this is another in a LONG history of fanatic climate change lunacy. People ignore history, as in the 70’s where we were all going to freeze in an Ice age, and step it back every cycle of 30 – 35 years you have some radicals with agenda’s blabbering about how man is destroying the planet – they are worse than religious end-of- the world zealots as the data does not support any claim they have made and yet they claim the intellectual high-ground. It’s a cult, a religion for people who have no faith in anything greater than themselves.. and if we think it can’t happen here, we better wake up as it already is moving forward, with military exercises on our own soil in 40+ states…. Those that refuse to acknowledge history – and in the case of AGW, the changing of historical records, are fools and radicals and they are dangerous. We even have pop-scientists like Bill Nye, selling out to Monsanto saying he “Fell in Love” with GMO’s!!! , and going around telling kids they are just a speck of nothing in a huge universe of nothing. Not to mention he warned the LHC would create a rip in space-time and swallow the earth! The guy is crazy and dangerous. The only comfort I take is that it is nothing new, this has been going on for centuries, The funny thing is the alarmists claim to be scientifically literate, but they think that most issues in science are settled and that we only have a few holes to fill in!!! If you actually follow things outside of SA and TIME magazine, you realize that the Big Bang is in trouble, neo-darwinism is now dead, and their is always decent in science – it is what make it work… so foolish.. so selfish… and in 5 years when we are deep into a cooling cycle, these folks will jump to another thing to “care” about as they have that void in them, a need to believe in something, but the fact is all of their ranting and claiming superior intellect is always a house of cards that comes tumbling down….bizarre..
This is a copy of an e-mail I sent to my Senator Lindsey Graham earlier this morning regarding Sen Bernie Sanders’ (VT) very disingenuous amendment to the Keystone Pipeline bill which asks each lawmaker to take a stand on whether “climate change is impacting the planet and is worsened by human-caused greenhouse gas emissions”:
Sen Sanders is proposing a “when did you stop beating your wife” amendment to the Keystone pipeline bill. I am about as skeptical as possible about CATASTROPHIC Global Warming but even I would not suggest that “climate” doesn’t change and that this change impacts our planet (part of our country was under 2 miles of ice 20,000 years ago and then it melted without the help of fossil fuels), Of course man contributes SOMETHING to recent warming (Urban Heat Islands for example).
The real questions are whether the .8C over the last hundred years or any continued rise is CATASTROPHIC and that we should ruin OUR economy and more importantly condemn many in other lands to fuel poverty (look up statistics for fuel poverty deaths in the UK) or ask a developing area to forego fossil fuel burning and replace it with windmills and solar panels!!!
The biggest question of all is IF we were to go along with Bernie’s or Jim Hansen’s recommendations, how would that impact warming?? THE EPA HAS DONE THOSE CALCULATIONS – IT WOULD BE BARELY MEASURABLE! a small fraction of a degree (C or F).
BTW, DO NOT play the semantics game – Gore/Wirth/Hansen all warned of GLOBAL WARMING – and when the globe didn’t warm in the last 18 years they called it “climate disruption” and when the US chief scientist on extreme weather (Dr Roy Spenser – Huntsville) testified before the Senate that there was NO extreme weather change (the latest FULL IPCC Report agrees) they went to “Climate Change” – and NO ONE argues that climate doesn’t change. In your messaging PLEASE use the term GLOBAL WARMING – don’t play their semantics game and find yourself trying to argue that climate doesn’t change.
I didn’t realize I was channeling the good Doctor Lindzen 🙂
Sorry. You have been manipulated to belive that Climate change is not that bad. It is. And Lindzen is a real outlier…and wrong a lot. Read:http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-scientists-take-on-Richard-Lindzen.html
Please do me the courtesy of addressing ANY one of my comments. Ad homonyms are meaningless in rational discussion. More to the point, which of the theories of Prof Lindzen do you object? Perhaps his hypothesis re the impact of clouds on climate sensitivity? are there papers that back up your opinions? (But of course a good rebuttal by you alone would be sufficient.)
You do know that SkS was founded by the self named “Hockey Team” to defend against any critics of their alarmist assertions.
Remember, science is advanced by “outliers”!
From link:”They welcome Lindzen’s acceptance of some well established ‘knowns’ of climate science, including:
“There has been a large increase of atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases due to emissions resulting from human activity over the past 150 years […] …”
That’s a pretty low bar to agree on. Points how far out his claims are.
And he’s a spokesman ….
“..but even I would not suggest that “climate” doesn’t change and that this change impacts..”
That isn’t what Sen. Sanders’ amendment is about. What you’ve done is make a false equivalency and a strawman.
“..they went to “Climate Change” – ..”
Actally the term was in use in the 70s.
But don’t let facts get in your way; continue spouting those talking points!
“..and NO ONE argues that climate doesn’t change. ”
Yup.
So you are trying a strawman argument.
“The real questions are whether ….. that we should ruin OUR economy ..”
How do you see a ‘ruined’ economy from any proposed legislation aimed at mitigating ACC or adaptation from it’s effects?
Climate Change is nothing but socialism and the elites want to spread this around the world.
China won’t even drop it’s emissions for over 20 years and here we are to.
It’s a godless theory that humans can stop the weather.
It is so ridiculous when you think about; it is why they are brainwashing young people because their ideas are still being formed.
Need to get down into the core reason for Climate Change and why radical progressives want this; we need to know the real reason.
How about someone sponsoring an amendment which recognizes that Bernie Sanders is the mouthpiece for a political movement which has killed hundreds of millions at the hands of the great environmentalists called Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. etc.
Ridiculous comment. You don’t know the dif between socializm and communism. And you don’t care for facts. Lindzen is wrong and virtually alone in his faulty reasoning. http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-scientists-take-on-Richard-Lindzen.html
You might look at the Nazi party platform , that Stalin praised, before you show your lack of knowledge about the supposed difference between fascism and communism/socialism. I suggest you read Jonah Goldberg’s brilliant book “Liberal Fascism” instead of the nonsense published by the communists at skepticalscience.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-scientists-take-on-Richard-Lindzen.html Dr. Lindzen stands virtually alone in his reasoning and has been proven wrong in many of his facts. He appeals to those in denial. Read the article if you care about truth.
Why doesn’t the Senate vote on the proper question:
“Is CO2 emitted by human activity causing catastrophic global warming, and is it the key driver of climate change?”
That, after all, is what the IPCC based its mantra ever since its creation in late 1988.
It seems to me that if the Senate cannot even get the terminology right in the question to be voted upon, then the Senate vote will be pointless. The result will be 100% “Yes” to the question “Is climate changing?”
Actually the proposed climate change amendment is a start, but its format is unacceptable. A proper legislative amendment would read like this:
Whereas, The extent of global sea ice is at or above historical averages;
Whereas, The populations of polar bears are generally growing;
Whereas, The sea levels have been slowing rising at the same rate since the Little Ice Age ended 150 years ago;
Whereas, The oceans will not become acidic due to buffering from extensive mineral deposits and marine life is well adapted to pH fluctuations that do occur;
Whereas, Extreme weather events has not increased in recent decades and such events are more associated to periods of cooling rather than warming;
Whereas, Cold spells, not heat waves, are the greater threat to human life and prosperity;
Therefore, This chamber agrees that climate is variable and prudent public officials should plan for future periods both colder and warmer than the present.
Noted you didn’t claim to have sent that to your Rep or Sen….
You could have attached the 40 page paper cited in this thread that ‘proves’ everybody else is wrong…
Wow! There are sure a lot of comments below trying to equate ACC mitigation with socialism and communism.
Reminds me of the KKK trying the same w Civil Rights in the mid 60s…
I am an old chemical engineer who has completed mass and energy balances my whole life. Just using common sense if you don’t appreciate real science, all gases and dust in the atmosphere cool the planet, they don’t warm it. Go outside on a sunny day and when a cloud goes by and blocks the sun, do you feel warmer or cooler? The GHG nuts will tell you, you must feel warmer because water vapor is the greatest GHG in our atmosphere. Where have the real scientists gone to.
Lindzen again? His work has been underwritten by OPEC and other fossil fuel producers. This fact alone should raise concerns about his objectivity.
Read the quote below.
“We have had 19 straight years of glacier retreat. Some glaciers have disappeared altogether. Antarctica’s Pine Island Glacier, one of the biggest single contributors to world sea-level rise, has been melting irreversibly over the last 20 years.
Ice loss in Antarctica and Greenland has contributed nearly half an inch to the rise in sea levels in the past 20 years.
The linear trend in Arctic ice extent for December (1978 through 2013) is now −3.5% per decade, or −46,500 square kilometers per year.
Meanwhile, weather forecasters in Australia said some parts of the northwest coast are approaching 122 degrees Fahrenheit today.
Brazil’s heat index reached 120 F.
We are being warned by the International Society for Historical Climatology and Climate History (ISHC), the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration(NOAA), NASA, American Association of Petroleum Geologists, theIntergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and more.
Not only are ocean surface waters getting warmer, so is water 1,500 feet below the surface. The increases in temperature lie well outside the bounds of natural variation.
2013 was one of the 10 hottest years since 1880. Nine of the top 10 hottest years occurred since the turn of the 21st century. The global warming trend just marked its 37th year, government climatologists say.
While there are natural causes involved, since 1946, increases in the concentration of man-made greenhouse gases and sulphate aerosols have been the dominant cause of these anomalies.”
The Christian Science Monitor
Noelle Swan, January 22, 2014
See the article for more information
It is scary – this is how fascism works – you call people who disagree on very sound technical terms “deniers” (i.e. holocaust deniers). With this communist at the helm, the progressive wing-nuts are on a rampage, getting away with it to, because people have lost the ability to speak up due to the fear of being labeled – I say label me all you wan’t. As I enjoy this 55 degree day, and much lower than normal temps in St. Louis this week, and June for forecasts to be way below normal for highs and lows, I am told I don’t understand how climate change works. However, I read the technical articles as I am very competent in several science disciplines, and it is so clear this is another in a LONG history of fanatic climate change lunacy. People ignore history, as in the 70’s where we were all going to freeze in an Ice age, and step it back every cycle of 30 – 35 years you have some radicals with agenda’s blabbering about how man is destroying the planet – they are worse than religious end-of- the world zealots as the data does not support any claim they have made and yet they claim the intellectual high-ground. It’s a cult, a religion for people who have no faith in anything greater than themselves.. and if we think it can’t happen here, we better wake up as it already is moving forward, with military exercises on our own soil in 40+ states…. Those that refuse to acknowledge history – and in the case of AGW, the changing of historical records (like making 1930’s much cooler to force an upward looking graph rather than a normal oscillating one), are fools and radicals and they are dangerous. We even have pop-scientists like Bill Nye, selling out to Monsanto saying he “Fell in Love” with GMO’s!!! , and going around telling kids they are just a speck of nothing in a huge universe of nothing. Not to mention he warned the LHC would create a rip in space-time and swallow the earth! The guy is crazy and dangerous. The only comfort I take is that it is nothing new, this has been going on for centuries, The funny thing is the alarmists claim to be scientifically literate, but they think that most issues in science are settled and that we only have a few holes to fill in!!! They also look at science as if it is one discipline, and some kind of exact thing they can believe in. If you actually follow things outside of SA and TIME magazine, you realize that the Big Bang is in trouble, neo-darwinism is now dead, and their is always decent in science – it is what make it work… so foolish.. so selfish… and in 5 years when we are deep into a cooling cycle, these folks will jump to another thing to “care” about as they have that void in them, a need to believe in something, but the fact is all of their ranting and claiming superior intellect is always a house of cards that comes tumbling down….bizarre..
Lindzen is Mr. Plop. He works for OPEC. He epitomizes “corrupt scientist.”