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Trump ignores Gore’s advice, instead picks skeptic to head EPA & dismantle climate agenda

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Climate Depot’s publisher Marc Morano statement on President Elect Donald Trump’s selection of Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt pick for EPA chief: 

“President-Elect Trump’s appointment of Scott Pruitt is a breath of fresh air. No longer do we have to suffer under President Obama’s ridiculous EPA ‘climate’ regulations. It is also refreshing that a Republican President is not throwing the EPA over to the green activists and the media by appointing a weak administrator. Christine Todd Whitman he is not! See: Bravo! Trump appoints ‘a fierce critic of the EPA’ — to head EPA! & Cheers! Trump picks leading EPA critic to head agency & NYT: ‘Trump Picks Scott Pruitt, Climate Change Denialist, to Lead EPA‘ & Wash Post: Trump names Scott Pruitt, Oklahoma AG suing EPA on climate change

Trump’s pick of Pruitt finally means that a Republican President is standing up the green establishment! Historically, EPA chiefs have been among the most pro regulatory members of past Republican presidents from Nixon through Ford, Reagan and both Bushes. Trump has broken the cycle!

Climate sanity has been restored to the U.S. EPA. No longer do we have to hear otherwise intelligent people in charge in DC blather on about how EPA regulations are necessary to control the Earth’s temperature or storminess. See: Huh?! Obama advisor John Podesta claims EPA CO2 regs (which don’t impact global CO2 levels) are needed to combat extreme weather: ‘The risk on the downside you’re seeing every day in the weather’

No longer do we have to endure GOP presidents avoiding battle over the green agenda by picking EPA chiefs that were timid at best. We know how bad GOP EPA picks have been in the past because many former GOP EPA chiefs endorsed President Obama’s EPA climate regulations. See: EPA chiefs who served under Republicans press for climate action

If climate skeptics were worried about Trump’s meeting with Former VP Al Gore earlier this week, the pick of Pruitt is reassuring. Basically Trump listened to what Gore had to say at their New York City meeting and then he exercised his good judgement and did the exact opposite. Also see Climate Depot’s new 44 page consensus busting ‘State of the Climate Report’ \


Kudos to Trump for standing up the well funding climate establishment by picking Pruitt.

The UN Paris climate change agreement and the EPA climate regulations claim to be able to essentially save the planet from ‘global warming’. But even if you accept the UN’s and Al Gore’s version of climate change claims, the UN Paris agreement or the EPA’s alleged climate regulations would not ‘save’ the planet.

University of Pennsylvania Geologist Dr. Robert Giegengack has noted, “None of the strategies that have been offered by the U.S. government or by the EPA or by anybody else has the remotest chance of altering climate if in fact climate is controlled by carbon dioxide.”

In layman’s terms: All of the so-called ‘solutions’ to global warming are purely symbolic when it comes to climate. So, even if we actually faced a climate catastrophe and we had to rely on a UN climate agreement, we would all be doomed! (See Keynote Speech by Marc Morano on the case for climate skepticism)

Even the proponents admit these EPA regulations are purely symbolic.

EPA Chief Admits Obama Regs Have No Measurable Climate Impact: ‘One one-hundredth of a degree?’ EPA Chief McCarthy defends regs as ‘enormously beneficial’ – Symbolic impact

Former Obama Energy Chief slams EPA climate regs: ‘Falsely sold as impactful’ – ‘All U.S. annual emissions will be offset by 3 weeks of Chinese emissions’ Former Obama Department of Energy Assistant Secretary Charles McConnell: ‘The Clean Power Plan has been falsely sold as impactful environmental regulation when it is really an attempt by our primary federal environmental regulator to take over state and federal regulation of energy.’ – ‘What is also clear, scientifically and technically, is that EPA’s plan will not significantly impact global emissions.’ – ‘All of the U.S. annual emissions in 2025 will be offset by three weeks of Chinese emissions. Three weeks.’

And after all the green stimulus bills, subsidies and regulations, overall energy use has not really changed all that much in over 100 years.

Reality check: In 1908, fossil fuels accounted for 85% of U.S. energy consumption. In 2015, more or less the same

End Morano Statement
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Trump’s Pick to Lead the EPA Calls Himself a ‘Leading Advocate Against the EPA’s Activist Agenda’ – Warmist Slate Mag laments: ‘Pruitt’s selection should extinguish any remaining hope that President Trump, who will be the only world leader who openly and outright rejects fighting climate change, will somehow be convinced by his daughter (or Al Gore) to act in response to the scientific consensus.’

Fmr. Harvard Physicist praises Trump’s EPA pick: ‘There is nothing unclean about CO2 & the environment doesn’t need to be ‘protected’ against it’

Climate skeptic group praises Trump EPA pick: Pruitt will confront EPA’s ‘enormous federal regulatory overreach’

TRUMP PICKS PROMINENT CLIMATE SKEPTIC AS EPA CHIEF

Celebrate! Trump to pick ‘ardent opponent’ of Obama climate agenda to run EPA – In an interview with Reuters in September, Pruitt said he sees the Clean Power Plan as a form of federal “coercion and commandeering” of energy policy and that his state should have “sovereignty to make decisions for its own markets.”

Trump’s Pick for EPA Has a History of Fighting the Agency

Professor: EPA health claims ‘are groundless’ – ‘Carbon dioxide is not a factor in smog or lung issues’  – Prof. Ross McKitrick on Sun News on June 2, 2014 – McKitrick on Air Pollution: The models get ‘more deaths from air pollution than you were death from all causes’ – ‘Particulates and soot are at such low levels in the U.S. — levels well below what they were in the 1970s. The health claims at this point are groundless coming from this administration.
I noticed these numbers coming up for Ontario for how many deaths were caused by air pollution. What struck me — was knowing that air pollution levels were very low in Ontario — but they were extremely high in 1960s. So I took the same model and fed in the 1960s air pollution levels into it: How many deaths would you get? I did the calculations and you quickly get more deaths from air pollution than you were death from all causes.
In other words, the streets would have been littered with bodies from air pollution if it was actually that lethal. The problem with all of these models is they are not based on an actual examination of death certificates or looking at what people actually died of — these are just statistical models where people have a spreadsheet and they take in an air pollution level and it pops out a number of deaths. But there are no actual bodies there, it is all just extrapolation.’
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2041 COMMENTS

    • For sure! This new appointment of Pruitt feels like such a major relief, from decades long imposed & unwarranted burden(s) upon American Businesses, and the American Worker. If I was employed by the EPA, I’d be getting my Resume in order…

    • Yes we just pull trough Spanish and Vatican inquisition not burned or cooked in boiling oil and here we go again.Those who have monopoly on printing money are behind this scam.Some four decades ago UN Lima declaration states that capitalism is not sustainable,earth could not support capitalism.So these liars invented in fifties by club of Rome climate scare which most gullible’s are buying.Since they know capitalism is out for them to stay on top is to sell you carbon credit.How good is that,making billions without doing nothing,apart from telling a lie.They use secret technology scalar wave to disturb climate create earth quakes tsunami floods hurricanes destroying food source bio warfare diseases viruses HAARP towers to manipulate your mind,and list goes on for ever.I better stop before they send drone my way.Do not believe in any independent media they are all in their hands.Kosher media moderator will delete my post as usual , truth is against community guidelines.

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    • The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and insome places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulate at Bergen Norway

      Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change inclimate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

      Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

      Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.

      Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

      Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

      Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.

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      I must apologize.

      I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported
      by the AP and published in The Washington Post – 93 years ago.

      This must have been caused by the Model T Ford’s emissions or possibly from horse and cattle flatulence?
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      • And round and round it goes, When I was in 4th grade they were indoctrinating us about the “Coming Ice Age and “Zero Population Growth” (ZPG). I’m hearing murmurs of a coming ice again. What complete loons the libturds are.

          • In fairness they chose the perfect medium on what to call their nonsense, “Climate Change”. When Global Cooling was proven ridiculous then Global Warming proven more ridiculous, they chose the safest term available. Climate change can be applied to anything. For instance, the record snow and cold in Chicago and surronding areas this week is climate change. Because they are tired of these events exposing the ridiculousness of global warming.
            If they were smart, they would try to come to a happy medium and work with Republicans. I don’t buy climate change but I am behind cleaning up the air we breathe. I would like sensible agreements that make the air quality better for everyone and I think everyone can get behind that. But when you take it to extremes and predict in 2008 that water rising would completely engulf NYC in 2015, you look like a fool. Also if we are going to use oil anyway, then why not get as much of it from North America as possible and become energy independent of those savage and intolerant middle eastern nations.

                • The calamity will likely not happen in your lifetime. I find it interesting that conservatives love to talk about “future debt” and our “future generations who should not have to pay for our expenditures,” but do not give a shit about protecting the environment for their grandchildren. The hypocrisy and stupidity is glaring. The rest of the world is laughing at stupid Americans, who do not educate themselves, who do not know history, do not know how government works, and blame all the wrong people.

                  Job number one: Teach Americans that the Earth is over 6000 years old — since most Americans are Bible thumpers, and refuse to recognize facts.

                  Then we can proceed. Until Americans actually accept facts as facts, we will get nowhere, and will have to suffer with the stupid claims of people on this page.

                  • Here is what your fellow travellers on the insane left were telling us 50 odd years ago . . .

                    These are the predictions made on the first earth day in 1970.

                    Didn’t believe them then, don’t believe them now . . .

                    1.”Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” — Harvard biologist George Wald

                    2.”We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation.” — Washington University biologist Barry Commoner

                    3.”Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.” — New York Times editorial

                    4.”Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.” — Stanford University biologist Paul Ehrlich

                    5.”Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born… [By 1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.” — Paul Ehrlich

                    6.”It is already too late to avoid mass starvation,” — Denis Hayes, Chief organizer for Earth Day

                    7.”Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to
                    include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine
                    conditions…. By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.” — North Texas State University professor Peter Gunter

                    8.”In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution… by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half.” — Life magazine

                    9.”At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.” — Ecologist Kenneth Watt

                    10.”Air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.” — Paul Ehrlich

                    11.”By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate… that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, ‘Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, ‘I am very sorry, there isn’t any.'” — Ecologist Kenneth Watt

                    12.”[One] theory assumes that the earth’s cloud cover will continue to thicken as more dust, fumes, and water vapor are belched into the atmosphere by industrial smokestacks and jet planes. Screened from the sun’s heat, the planet will cool, the water vapor will fall and freeze, and a new Ice Age will be born.” — Newsweek magazine

                    13.”The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.” — Kenneth Watt

                    WE could add you to the list . . . and of course Gorebull Warming Al . . . lol

                  • Here’s a fact for you-the entire environmental “movement” was started with lies,outrageous claims that were lies and the original enviro whacko bible-Rachel Carson’s “Silent Spring” was based on deeply flawed science.
                    Dr Carson was full of shit-millions have contracted and died from tropical insect borne diseases since the book of lies led to the banning of DDT.
                    The current “climate change” tripe is just Silent Spring on ‘roids.
                    The climate has been changing since long before the first human figured out how to harness fire,and long before the first drop of oil was used by humans.
                    CO2 is not,never was,and never will be a pollutant.
                    The only source of “clean” and renewable energy that can even come close to meeting demand for power is hydro-electric-but…
                    the enviro-whackos are still filing lawsuits and getting dams torn down,along with enriching their lawyers.
                    The enviro-whackos have turned the Sacramento/San Joaquin river delta from one of the most fertile,productive agricultural areas in the U.S. into a desert all to “save” a 3″ fish-the delta smelt-that’s going to go extinct anyhow.
                    They’re doing a similar thing to another part of Commifornia because of another 3″ fish-the santa Ana sucker-only this time it’s a ban on drawing residential drinking water -from an existing reservoir-that is going to leave around a million people without water for drinking,cooking,bathing,laundry or growing their own vegetables.
                    The enviro-whackos pushed things way too far-with well over 90% of the claims being outright lies-or based on lies-or in the case of “climate change” by using flawed data input into the 127 or so computer models,leading to flawed “results” from every single computer model. Every. single.one.
                    By the way-polar bears are not anywhere near extinct-a claim made in the 1990’s and repeated several times a year since then.
                    Polar bear populations are stable or increasing in every area they are found.
                    Those of us not brainwashed who are capable of critical thinking have had enough of the bullshit-enougfh of the lies,half truths and obfuscation from the climate change cultists and the enviro-nazis.
                    By the way-do some actual research into the “99% consusus” claim,and the “settled science claim”-the facts show both to be pure,unadulterated male bovine excrement.

              • no, this is about 20,000 dollar a minute lectures and third world money grabs and the Clinton Foundation. I wonder how much the earth heated up when Mrs Clinton had the Khadaffi Libyan govt overthrown and replaced with ISIS.?

                • Absolutely, it’s always been about a money and power grab. In fact nearly everything done by politicians is a money/power grab. Any program that uses taxpayer money is a scam that benefits politicians in the end. Obama’s hand-out to the renewable energy companies to the tune of 150 BILLION dollars went -where? Many of those companies went out of business! -But not before donating to the DNC or paying for over inflated “speaker’s fees”.

                    • Like the electoral college? Trump won the popular vote in more states than The Criminal did. The whole point was so bigger states with yuge populations don’t over ride the rest of the country. Liberals always want to change the laws they don’t like.

                    • Yep, only when they don’t serve their current purpose. The founders were very astute in formulating the Electoral College to prevent elections (well at least make it MUCH HARDER) from being stolen from a single ballot box. OK, the JFK election was stolen by the Daley Democrat Machine in Chicago – at least JFK was a decent POTUS in spite of this.

                    • I saw a documentary on the mafia. It made an interesting case that the mafia actually was able to help JFK win the White House.

                  • Vood,
                    I call it “crisis construction”;

                    1. Create the perception that there’s a crisis (whether is real or fake is unimportant).

                    2. Proffer pre-determined, convenient solutions to said “crisis”.

                    3. Lobby your solutions into law.
                    4. Profit and gain power by government force.
                    5. Enable and empower your friends and the aligned, and repeat.
                    As you aptly indicate, the basic architecture for these scams has been in place for many years, and it keeps the masses at bay as they are relentlessly swindled by many among the greedy and ambitious.

                    • “I call it “crisis construction””

                      You could just call it lying… because that’s all Climate Depot does. What, did you think that round of applause was actual humans?

                      Silly… Nobody’s buying this nonsense anymore.

                      “Marc Morano is the executive director and chief correspondent of ClimateDepot. com, a project of the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT). Morano is also the Communications Director at CFACT, a conservative think-tank in Washington D.C. that has received funding from ExxonMobil, Chevron, as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars from foundations associated with Richard Mellon Scaife.”

                      http://www.desmogblog.com/marc-morano

                    • Attack the messenger . . . the trait of the insane left . . .
                      Why not just produce the “Science” that you talk about . . . what you can’t find it? . . . lol
                      Desmog are far-left loons like Al the Goricle . . . who spout nonsense !

                      The trillions and trillions of dollars wasted could have reforested a lot of areas around the world. The trillions and trillions of dollars wasted could have brought clean water and sanitation to billions around the world. The trillions and trillions wasted could have restored and reclaimed a lot of polluted rivers around the world. The trillions and trillions wasted could have brought social goods like education, health care, better living conditions, and advanced technologies to the poor all around the world.

                      The things that those trillion and trillions could have done still need doing; however, they will not be done because politicians destroyed the credibility of science and the environmental movement. In every survey over the last ten years environmental issues have fallen further and further down the list of the global population’s concerns.

                      The frauds and their political paymasters have no one to blame but themselves. They will not be the ones to pay the price, that will be the world’s poor, you know those folks the liars are always proclaiming that they need their compassion (again as only defined by the fascist left). This is the reality of leftist progressive compassion – empty, soulless, and bankrupt of any morals or ethics.

                    • “Attack the messenger . . . the trait of the insane left . . . Desmog are far-left loons”

                      lol! If attacking the messenger is a trait of insane people… and you just attacked the messenger…

                      What would that make you?

                      When you start your car, does the exhaust warm the planet, DC?

                      “The primary cause of global warming is human activity, most significantly the burning of fossil fuels to drive cars, generate electricity, and operate our homes and businesses.”

                      http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/global_warming_101

                    • Read your own comments again . . . . idiot . . . you are attacking Morno & Climate Depot . . . you supply NO facts or Science as per usual.
                      Simply saying that human activity causes Gorebull Warming does NOT make it so. In FACT the AGW Hypothesis is UNPROVEN SCIENCE.
                      If the “Science” existed . . . you would post it.

                      The United Nation’s own Inter-governmental panel on climate change found back in 2013, the world’s global warming stopped in 1998.

                      The idea that global warming paused, what 18 years ago now is frightening to people who make their living off of scaring the public about global warming.

                      But now, even the UN has come out and said that warming stopped.

                      What is fascinating about this new study is that it finds that over a time period when greenhouse gases were rising rapidly, “results support previous findings of a reduced rate of surface warming over the 2001-2014 period.”

                      Lead author Jonathan Fyfe cites the 2001 to 2014 period.

                      The United Nations Inter-governmental panel on climate change which cites 1998 to 2012 when it says in the UN IPCC technical briefing of 2013, page 37,

                      Despite the robust multi-decadal warming, there exists substantial inter-annual to decadal variability in the rate of warming, with several periods exhibiting weaker trends (including the warming hiatus since 1998) (Figure TS.1). The rate of warming over the past 15 years (1998–2012; 0.05 [–0.05 to +0.15] °C per decade) is smaller than the trend since 1951 (1951–2012; 0.12[0.08 to 0.14] °C per decade).
                      The best minds in the world, working for the organization pushing climate change and global warming the most – the United Nations – says that at best temperatures have risen between 0.08°C to 0.14°C per decade between 1951 and 2012. But between 1998 and 2012 they may have gone down by -0.05°C or gone up by 0.15°C.

                      The United Nations doesn’t know if temperatures went up or down between 1998 and 2012, now some of the top scientists pushing global warming say that they think things have slowed down if not outright stopped.

                    • “the AGW Hypothesis is UNPROVEN SCIENCE.”

                      …so no?

                      When you run your car, the carbon dioxide that comes out of the tailpipe does not warm the planet?

                      “The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century”

                      climate.nasa.gov/evidence

                    • You are WRONG !
                      today’s automobiles are 90% cleaner than a vehicle in then 70s . . . completely insignificant. You have to stop listening to the loons ! ! !

                      Every CO2 Molecule is surrounded by 2500 Molecules of Other Gases . . . how does this heat anything?
                      Over 95% of all greenhouse gasses is . . . . WATER VAPOR !
                      Why are we NOT controlling water vapor?
                      Because you cannot link it to my WALLET !

                      Some FACTS on CO2 . . . from a real scientist just for you . . .

                      We know that there is no such a thing as self-heating greenhouse and yet new theories have been invented to argue something that cannot be argued.

                      We know that there is nothing in common in IR spectra between CO2, methane and water and yet they have been classified together as ‘greenhouse gases’ because they absorb infrared radiation, together with millions of other molecules.

                      We know that CO2 in the atmosphere could not be detected by a standard IR-spectrometer and yet that property of CO2 has been used to argue for the existence of a greenhouse effect.

                      We know that all the knowledge about the physical world comes from experiments that can be validated and not from calculations that cannot be validated. And yet, everything about man-made global warming is about calculations and NOTHING about measurements.

                      Forget everything you think you know about oil

                      ‘Black Gold Stranglehold’ explodes common myths

                      Published: 10/18/2005 at 1:00 AM

                      If you believe that oil is a fossil fuel, be prepared to have your thoughts turned upside down.
                      If you believe that the U.S. has no choice but to rely on foreign oil until we ultimately run out of the precious resource, prepare to be challenged by new views that “have the opportunity to help give birth to a new generation of oil politics and economics.”

                      WND Books’ newest release, “Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil,” by Jerome R. Corsi and Craig R. Smith, explores and debunks some of the popular myths surrounding the international and domestic politics of oil production and consumption to provide Americans with beneficial information while being held in a virtual stranglehold at the gas-pumps.

                      In “Black Gold Stranglehold,” Corsi and Smith expose the fraudulent science and irresponsible politics that have been sold to American people in order to enslave them. By debunking several myths, Corsi and Smith provide an outline for progress that would help to establish America as energy-independent.

                      Be prepared to be challenged by:

                      The myth of fossil fuels: Corsi and Smith argue that the deep abiotic theory of oil is a more reliable theory than the fossil fuel theory. It rejects the contention that oil was formed from the remains of plant and animal life that died millions of years ago. Instead, they believe in Thomas Gold’s argument that oil is abiotic: “a primordial material that the earth forms and exudes on a continual basis” and is “pushed upward toward the earth’s surface by the intense pressures of the earth’s core and the influence of the centrifugal force that the earth exerted upon the specific gravity of oil as a fluid substance.”

                      The running-out-of-oil myth: The 1970s scientific study known as Hubbert’s Peak, predicting we would exhaust oil reserves by 2003, has been proven false. We are currently sitting on “more proven petroleum reserves than ever before despite the increasing rate at which we are consuming petroleum products. New and gigantic oil fields are being discovered at an increasing rate, in places the fossil fuel theory would never have been predicted as possible.

                    • “You are WRONG !”

                      I am wrong or the world’s scientists are wrong?

                      If you think the world’s scientists are wrong, how do you know?

                      Where are you getting your information?

                      “Overlooked by modern researchers is the work of Eunice Foote, who, three years prior to the start of Tyndall’s laboratory research, conducted similar experiments on absorption of radiant energy by atmospheric gases, such as CO₂ and water vapor. The presentation of her report at a major scientific convention in 1856 was accompanied by speculation that even modest increases in the concentration of CO₂ could result in significant atmospheric warming.”

                      http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/documents/2011/70092sorenson/ndx_sorenson.pdf

                    • You are Wrong . . . you bet !

                      World’s Scientists ? ? ? Are those the guy called “Scientists Believe” ?

                      What I posted above is FACT . . . the so-called “Concensus” is a MYTH !
                      Please explain how the rare gas CO2 . . . .04% of the atmosphere can warm anything . . . it is a preposterous Hypothesis which of course explains why you cannot post the “Science” that proves AGW !

                    • “You are Wrong”

                      Let me check… No, the researchers I cited say precisely what I said they say…

                      You would know that if you clicked on the link.

                      Did you do that, DC?

                      “In January 1859, Tyndall began studying the radiative properties of various gases… Tyndall’s experiments… showed that molecules of water vapor, carbon dioxide, and ozone are the best absorbers of heat radiation”

                      earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Tyndall

                    • CO2 is a poor absorber of heat . . . and due to it’s almost non-existance in our atmosphere . . . it can therefore warm NOTHING !
                      Australia tossed it’s krazy Carbon Tax a couple of years ago . . .
                      Here is a real expert explaining why . . .

                      Who do you really believe an engineer or a scientist, the jury is still out!
                      Make your own mind up on who is telling the truth. I merely pass this along so I can do so.

                      It’s just three minutes of Primary School CO2 Science that the Government doesn’t want made public.
                      This three-minute video puts carbon dioxide into perspective.
                      You really should watch this. WHY? Because when someone asks, you will then know the answer!
                      Yes, it’s principally aimed at Aussies but the science, not hype, is universal.
                      “Https://www.youtube.com/embed/BC1l4geSTP8”

                      We know that no gas molecule of the open system, as our atmosphere is, can possibly control temperature.

                      We know that there are two very different mechanisms that drive dynamics of CO2 exchange between air-waterand air-biomass and therefore there is no such thing as global levels of CO2. Levels of CO2 above the water mass, covering 70% of the Earth surface is controlled by solubility of CO2 in water which is solely driven by temperature; while levels of CO2 above the biomass that covers most of the land surfaces is solely driven and controlled by photosynthesis.

                    • “CO2 is a poor absorber of heat”

                      If you know CO₂ absorbs heat radiation, you must know AGW is a proven fact.

                      …so why did you say “the AGW Hypothesis is UNPROVEN SCIENCE.”?

                      “Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities.”

                      climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

                    • CO2 is also RARE, close to the earth and unevenly distributed . . . but hey . . . why confuse a “Believer” with Facts.

                      97% . . . that is another INSANE comment . . . that was proved to be FAKE a decade ago. You don’t have a friggin clue man . . .
                      you post insane nonsense!

                      AGW = Anthropogenic Gorebull Warming is an Hypothesis . . .
                      an UNPROVEN Hypothesis.
                      I have been asking for the Science for over 25 years now . . . do you have it?

                      Have a read . . .
                      http://www.principia-scientific.org/publications/Greenhouse%20gas%20effect%20is%20bogus.pdf

                    • “that was proved to be FAKE a decade ago.”

                      Buddy, you just said it was a fact…

                      Would you like to get your personalities on the same page before you respond again?

                      “Without greenhouse gases, Earth would be a frozen -18 degrees Celsius (0 degrees Fahrenheit).”

                      earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/CarbonCycle/page5.php

                    • What are you muttering about now?
                      I was talking about the 97% of scientists . . . . never happened !

                      Wow . . . if that were true . . . since California has very few clouds . . . they should be very cold since 95% of GH gas is Water Vapor aka Clouds.

                      It is cloudy in the Arctic in the winter, especially when it snow most days . . . yet the temperature is -50 or colder . . . Lots of Water Vapor but little warming.

                      AGW is a SCAM . . .

                      The Carbon Tax….
                      Who do you really believe an engineer or a scientist, the jury is still out!
                      Make your own mind up on who is telling the truth. I merely pass this along so I can do so.

                      It’s just three minutes of Primary School CO2 Science that the Government doesn’t want made public.
                      This three-minute video puts carbon dioxide into perspective.
                      You really should watch this. WHY? Because when someone asks, you will then know the answer!
                      Yes, it’s principally aimed at Aussies but the science, not hype, is universal.
                      https://www.youtube.com/embed/BC1l4geSTP8

                    • “What are you muttering about now?”

                      Your incompatible claims. This means you understand AGW is a fact:

                      “CO2 is a poor absorber of heat”

                      …so why are you saying it’s a scam?

                      Have you been formally diagnosed with a mental illness, DC?

                      “Most climate scientists agree the main cause of the current global warming trend is human expansion of the “greenhouse effect” “

                      climate.nasa.gov/causes

                    • AGW is an Unproven Hypothesis . . .

                      The IPCC is a Political Body . . .

                      Gorebull Warming . . . aka Klimate Change is a HOAX !

                      You are uninformed and clueless !

                      Inconvenient Truths About the Man-made Global Warming Scam

                      Experts said Arctic sea ice would melt entirely by September 2016 – they were wrong.

                      Texas has been cooling since 1995, but that doesn’t suit NOAA’s global warming agenda. So they keep cooling the past further and further to create the appearance of a warming trend.

                      The UN bans skeptical journalists from climate summit for holding views not particularly helpful.

                      The Earth is heading towards another ice age as solar magnetic activity is set to drop by up to sixty per cent in the next fifteen years.

                      Winters may be getting colder in the Northeast.

                      The Weather Channel video uses young kids, scaring them about their lack of a future to promote global warming fears.

                      Looking to the hypocrites who are perpetrating this scam we have our Secretary of State who never saw a Global Warming photo op he didn’t like. On one Trip to the Antarctic, Kerry produced as much CO2 as an average American does in one year.

                      http://canadafreepress.com/article/inconvenient-truths-about-the-man-made-global-warming-scam?utm_source=CFP+Mailout&utm_campaign=fdbfb9540f-CFP+Daily+Mailout&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d8f503f036-fdbfb9540f-297732885&mc_cid=fdbfb9540f&mc_eid=114678cdc8#

                      Enlighten yourself fool . . . you are still back in the 90s with clueless Al !

                    • “AGW is an Unproven Hypothesis”

                      Yes, you’ve said that already, sweetheart.

                      …but you also said the greenhouse gasses we produce are warming the planet.

                      That means you understand AGW is a proven fact.

                      Which one is it?

                      “In 1895, Arrhenius… described an energy budget model that considered the radiative effects of carbon dioxide (carbonic acid) and water vapor on the surface temperature of the Earth”

                      earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Arrhenius

                    • I said no such thing . . . AGW is an Hypothesis . . . an UNPROVEN hypothesis . . . unless YOU can produce the “Science” . . . LOL

                      Clue one is “Water Vapor” . . . 95% of ALL GH gasses . . .

                      NOAA has been caught creating imaginary data . . . the only warming in the last 20 years has been to the DATA . . .

                      Time you got into the 21st century . . . nobody is buying this nonsense !

                      Table of the highest recorded temperatures for each continent..

                      Place…………………………………………….- Date -……Fahrenheit

                      North America (Death Valley), ———- July 10, 1913—- + 134.0 F
                      Asia Tirat Tsvi, Israel——————- June 21, 1942 —— +129.2 F
                      Africa1 Kebili, Tunisia———————– July 7, 1931 — + 131.0 F
                      Australia Oodnadatta, South Australia–Jan. 2, 1960 —- + 123.0 F
                      Europe Athens, Greece—————— July 10, 1977 — + 118.4 F
                      South America Rivadavia, Argentina— Dec. 11, 1905— +120.0 F
                      Oceania Tuguegarao, Philippines—— April 20, 1912 — + 108.0 F
                      Antarctica Vanda Station, Scott Coast—- Jan. 5, 1974 — + 59.0 F

                      CO2 is a “trace gas” in air and is insignificant by definition. It absorbs 1/7th as much IR, heat energy, from sunlight per molecule as water vapor which has 188 times as many molecules capturing 1200 times as much heat producing 99.8% of all “global warming.” CO2 does only 0.2% of it. For this we should destroy our economy, starve the world, cause hunger, riots and wars?

                      There is no “greenhouse effect” in an atmosphere. A greenhouse has a solid, clear cover trapping heat. The atmosphere does not trap heat as gas molecules cannot form surfaces to work as greenhouses that admit and reflect energy depending on sun angle. Gases do not form surfaces as their molecules are not in contact.

                      The Medieval Warming from 800 AD to 1300 AD Micheal Mann erased for his “hockey stick” was several Fahrenheit degrees warmer than anything “global warmers” fear. It was 500 years of world peace and abundance, longest ever.

                      Vostock Ice Core data analysis show CO2 rises followed temperature by 800 years 19 times in 450,000 years. Therefore temperature change is cause and CO2 change is effect. This alone refutes the anthropogenic global warming hypothesis.

                      Methane is called “a greenhouse gas 20 to 500 times more potent than CO2,” by Heidi Cullen and Jim Hansen, but it is not per the energy absorption chart at the American Meteorological Society. It has an absorption profile very similar to nitrogen which is classified “transparent” to IR, heat waves and is only present to 18 ppm. “Vegans” blame methane in cow flatulence for global warming in their war against meat consumption.

                    • “I said no such thing”

                      Sorry, I thought you said CO₂ absorbs infrared heat radiation.

                      Do you believe CO₂ does not absorb infrared heat radiation?

                      “Greenhouse gases in the atmosphere (such as water vapor and carbon dioxide) absorb most of the Earth’s emitted longwave infrared radiation, which heats the lower atmosphere.”

                      missionscience.nasa.gov/ems/13_radiationbudget.html

                    • CO2 is a POOR conductor of heat compared to Water Vapor and all other GH gasses . . . FACT !

                      You are living in the past . . . typical uninformed leftist fool !
                      The globe has been warming since the last ice age . . . according to NASA Satellite data . . . which is the ONLY data that surveys the entire globe . . . NO Warming since 1998 !

                      Was there a time then the Klimate . . . Did NOT Change ?
                      When was that . . . lol

                  • Congratulations on touting about four lies in one paragraph. Some businesses went out of business? Get my smelling salts. So you deny science because a couple of businesses are no longer in business. What other moronic conclusions have you got?

                    • Lol! Wow, you made quite a leap there dss -deny science? You know I’m thinking of petitioning Pfizer to market a pill for people with your affliction -it’s called “LIBGONE”.
                      -The following is reprinted from a prior post-
                      “Do you have feelings of anxiety, selfishness, guilt, self loathing, irresponsibility, racist tendencies you wish to blame on others, envy, no respect for authority, behavior mimicking Tourette syndrome or Munchausen by proxy, or projecting your most negative thoughts on other people?
                      THEN YOU NEED LIBGONE! Libgone is designed to calm the limbic system, allowing clearer, more logical thinking, suppressing the need to attack and demean those who do not agree with you.
                      Finally, freedom from progressive lockstep! Call your doctor and ask about Libgone. (Some users may experience stroke, gastrointestinal issues including nausea, vomiting, constipation, diarrhea, and loss of appetite, other side effects are drowsiness, eye pain, difficulty pronouncing words.)”
                      (I must point out that this is a spoof so that it doesn’t get flagged as spam) Lol

                    • Here’s the bigger question: Do you have anything to add in the way of actual logical discussion are do you just want to call people morons? It’s a sure sign you have no logical argument when you start calling people names.

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                  • Nutty Hillary hated Khadaffi . . . from the 90s . . . and was instrumental in his demise. She had her Ambassador Stephens at Benghazi negotiating with the Turks to move weapons to the Syrian Rebels. That is why she left the 4 Americans to die . . . as they never told their story.
                    The Syrian Rebels became ISIS . . . who Obama called the JV Team as they marched into Iraq and took over much of the state.
                    Hence . . . Oby and Hillarious created ISIS . . . and are directly responsible for the Deaths of 10s of thousands.
                    You have to be an insane leftist marxist/progressive to spout the nonsense you spout. You keep referring to “Science” yet you post NONE ! ! !

                  • Ill explain the point for the uninformed. Science has to be uninfluenced by money and politics to be legitimate and accepted. If you want billtions of dollars of taxpayer money to support “climate change” policies, you will have to go back to the drawing board and start with unadulterated data, because we the people don’t accept the cat food that has been fed to us. Too much money has been made by the people tooting this theory. Your personal attacks don’t help your argument, they just force us into the closet… the closet trumpians fooled you all into believing you had it made in the shade, and Hillary thought she had a get out of jail free card. her time is coming.

                • The Clinton’s behavior is pretty obviously utterly self-serving and pretty obviously in the realm of what would/should/could get “little people” into serious legal problems. What did the Clinton’s sell for their many millions other than access to US govt assets / influence. Don’t forget the petty crime of stealing the White House and Air Force One silverware and whatever else has been covered up plus renting out the Lincoln Bedroom. Shameless grfiters!.

                • This is what they taught us in school: “Litterbug, litterbug, where is your pride? Making a mess of the countryside! Litterbug litterbug shame on you look at the terrible things you do!” I could no more throw a cup out of a car window, than I could drop garbage on my way from Mexico. Now in school the song is, “Can a *******a get a table dance.” And of course, thanks to Bill Clinton, B.J.’s in 7th grade. Thanks Bill!

                • It costs billions of dollars in research to find sustainable energy sources that are clean. Or would you rather spend three trillion dollars on destroying Iraq? Between one project and the other, I would rather support science and industries that are struggling to prevent pollution, and make life on our only livable planet sustainable. Your keeping your head in the sand, and supporting vapid defenses is not helping, and you should be embarrassed to sound so stupid in public.

                  • I don’t remember us enticing Iraq to invade Kuwait, or do you forget how this mess started?
                    Like it or not, the weak rely on the strong. Who’s stronger than US? We couldn’t just sit there and watch Kuwait get gang raped. (Though the rest of the world was willing enough to sit on their hands)

                    • “I don’t remember us enticing Iraq to invade Kuwait”

                      Of course you don’t… because our media didn’t tell us what was going on…

                      Western oil companies in Kuwait were draining Iraq’s oil reserves from underground. Kuwait owned a tiny sliver of a deposit that was primarily located under Iraq, and they were using that tiny sliver to drain the entire thing dry.

                      They were stealing Iraq’s oil.

                      …and, when Saddam Hussein brought the matter to the Arab League and OPEC, they rebuffed him.

                      That’s why he invaded.

                      Oops.

                      http://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/03/world/confrontation-in-the-gulf-the-oilfield-lying-below-the-iraq-kuwait-dispute.html

                      The companies Mr. Morano works for are profoundly unethical. There is apparently no low to which they will not stoop…

                  • We have enough oil for at least 100 years . . . enough natural gas for 200 years . . . . before we go that far down the road . . . some brilliant engineer will invent an economical replacement . . . and he will NOT work for the Government.
                    The Government gave us Solyndra, abandoned windmills and electric cars !

              • Exactly…That is why they attacked CO2, The fourth building block of life…Decrease CO2 decrease life…I want to see these monsters set adrift on a raft in the middle of the ocean, maybe on Plastic Island…:)

                • The scientists, in order to get grants must tow the global warming mantra. If they do not, no more grants, no feeding of family in any scientific field, and no life. the fact of the matter is, of course that this is all kick back money. It is the biggest industry in the world. Slamming big corporations with regulations with which they have no choice to cooperate.

                  • So few understand the scientific community’s climate hustle. The only grant money available to challenge it come from industries under fire – the studies that result are automatically discounted, as well as they probably should be. Built on that is an enourmous political- commercial structure that collapses upon close inspection. All this so green weenies can feel good about themselves. The rest of us be damned.

                    • It sounds like you think pollution is a good thing. It sounds like you are for poisons in the environment. Do you not realize that “regulations’ mean preventing big companies from pollution our lakes and rivers? Do you know who dirty our nation was before the EPA? Do you realize how many people die of cancer because of some of the most insidious pollutants that are poured into our air and water?

                      If Pruitt is allowed to run the EPA, we are fucked. He is a known lobbyist for the oil industry and he is currently suing the EPA on behalf of big business, so they can pollute OK. You think he cares one iota for the health of the citizens of OK? No, he does not. He is on the take from big business, and he is the Attorney General, whose job it is to defend laws, not sue the EPA. Putting Pruitt in charge of the EPA will lead to the poisoning of your backyard and mine, our rivers and our streams.

                      You must be against humanity. I guess you like the idea of pollution. Or maybe you are a big business troll…which I suspect most people on this page are….Paid trolls to support big oil and gas. Either that, or you are just another moron who thinks pollution is not dangerous.

                    • Go back to your home in outer space you loon. You are nothing but a left wing nut conspiracy theorist. Since you hate Carbon Dioxide so much how about you put
                      a plastic bag over your head so you don’t cause any more ‘pollution’??

                    • Oh, the humanity of it all. I think I’ll spend my time worrying about terror cells in my community if I want to be miserable.

                  • Are you also angry that doctors and chemists are given grants to find cures for disease? Your comment makes me think that you deny science at every level. Or are you actually for medicine, while denying that pollution is harmful?

                    Big corporations polluted our nation within an inch of its life before the EPA was founded by President Nixon. In fact, we are dying of cancer because of the toxins in our environment. Are you against humanity? Are you for illness? Sounds like it. You sound like an uneducated asshole. I hope your realize this.

                    • Today . . . the USA is one of the cleanest countries on the planet . . .
                      You should go to China or India and spout . . . take Al the Goricle with you.
                      When you have Cleaned up those countries to our level TODAY . . . come back and we will talk.

                    • Precisely. If Haiti had not completely deforested itself, they might fare as well as the Dominican Republic when naturally occurring hurricanes and rainstorms take place.

                    • Dear Mongoloid,
                      You remind me of a girlfriend that I took out on my yacht one time for a swim out in the bay. She said, “It must be high tide the water is so deep.” Global Warming is a billion dollar industry designed to redistribute wealth. Nobody knows what the weather will be like in fifty days, never mind fifty years.

                    • Think about it. How rediculous does it sound that liberals think man can actually affect the weather? Only god can do that but liberals will believe in global warming before god.

                      “Dear Mongoloid” Funny

                    • Doctors and chemists are not interested in curing disease. They are only interested in “treating” disease. For example, Type II diabetes used to be called Adult Onset Diabetes because it used to take that long for our current American diet to destroy the pancreas. Now kids are getting Type Ii diabetes. Instead of coming out with more drug treaments for diabetes, doctors could educate patients on diet. There’s no money in that. Same with cancer. Sugar feeds cancer but oncologist still tell cancer patients they can eat anything while they are getting poison, i mean “treatment”.

                • The only problem with that lie is Ernido that they only distribute the wealth to themselves. The “narrrative” is that it is to balance the poverty in “third world countries”. I live in a third world country. Since BHO took office in 2008 EVERYTHING has deteriorated just like in the US. They say that when the US sneezes we have a cold (lol). So forget the LIES about redistribution of wealth to the poorer nations and EYEBALL THE TRUTH — taking the money from people and putting it in their own coffers.

                • Trump has a financial interest indirectly in the ND pipeline. He will soon be impeached as all of his entangled business crimes will be displayed. He doesn’t care about jobs…he cares only about himself and his gaudy gold tower….

                  • Leftism is a mental illness characterized by deep self loathing, inability to see the truth, a desire to destroy anything good and decent, and a penchant for controlling others. We don’t care what the Left thinks or feels. We’ve been pushed around by you bullies for long enough. We’re pushing you evil cretins back into the dark, spider infested corners you slithered out of.

                  • You are so correct, just this morning Green Peace has filed a lawsuit against Trump for Moving Arctic Ice into North Dakota simply to breakup the anti pipeline demonstrators….the joke is on him…many will stay until that Ice all Melts. This is a never ending mess as now Trump is again ordering up another round of sub zero weather for next week.

                  • Kathy . . . you are aware why Obama was against Keystone XL . . . yes?
                    His major donor Warren Buffett has been hauling Baccan Oil for years on his railroad . . . he has made BILLIONS of dollars thanks to his benefactor Obama.
                    This is FACT . . . numerous oil spills have resulted, last one a few months back in Oregon . . . but the insane media ignored them all.
                    Entangled business crimes? Like ole Hillary taking money from 55% of those that got access to her State Dept . . . and she sold 3Xs the weapons to despots as did Bush.
                    There’s a whole world out there Kathy . . . perhaps you should join !

                    • Typical Trumpster. Are we talking about Obama and Keystone? Stay focused dear….. Just like Trump/Conway change the subject when you don’t like what’s being asked or said. The President of the United States which I am so proud to say still is Barack Obama….on November 6th 2015, rejected the Keystone Pipeline system. In regards to question joining your world…. I’m proud to say I’m not a racist, bigot, bully and general all-around idiot! I’ll stay put in my normal world and we the MAJORITY, will make a huge change in 2020!

                    • Obama delayed and delayed his decision until he was forced to make it and then it was purely a political financial decision. He he actually believed it would improve “climate change” he would have come to his conclusion much sooner.

                    • You brought up the ND pipeline . . . MORON ! ! !
                      I merely told you the FACTS . . . something the insane left rarely relies upon.
                      You are a far-left loon . . . who believes the insane Klimate Alarmists like Al the Goricle . . . who has the biggest footprint on the planet.
                      If Gore actually believed his nonsense . . . would he have 3 homes, fly the planet in his emissions spouting jet and ride in limos . . . or would he set an example for the world to follow?
                      Obama is the worst president in US history . . . a dopy community organizer without a friggin clue !

                    • Ah yes, Alinsky on full display. When you lose the fight, just start name calling. Way to have a civil discussion!

                    • You ARE a racist, and a homophobe. btw, you won’t even have a political party by 2020, get used to seeing America rebound….

                  • Poor Kathy Gray, do you really believe that criminal racist Clinton or that grossly incompetent Obama give one whit about you? Either one of them would stand upon your neck smashing your face into the muck just to get a better angle in the mirror.

                    You’re 63 – surely you have lived long enough to realize what a sham the Democrat Party has become? They stopped being the working man’s party a long time ago, now they’re the modern day SS Party – Special Interests & Serfs. You’re either one of the elites at the party, or you’re one of the servants fetching their drinks.

                    No self-respecting woman could ever vote for Clinton and its disgusting she was the best the DNC could offer. She’s a racist, a criminal and a disgusting female who aided & abetted a serial predator for 25 years, covering Bill’s crimes and destroying any of his victims who dared to speak out.

                    I wasn’t a Trump fan when I voted for him, but his actions since winning the election have assured me America made the best decision possible on November 8th to save America from the gutting and plundering that is the Left, restore common sense and leave us be to earn our own money and live our lives with as little intrusion as possible.

              • You’re absolutely right! They want to take your guns away so you can’t resist, take your money away so you’ll be enslaved and take your speech away so you can’t complain about it. And those are just the lesser evils. The worst among them want to holocaust you as a sacrifice to Gaia. We’re dealing with evil dangerous people.

                  • So who exactly is for the “little guy” on the Left? Hillary, who threatened her husband’s rape victims, allowed Us citizens to die in Benghazi, supports allowing every person in the world to hop on the welfare gravy train at the expense of mid class taxpayers and compromised America’s intelligence? Or maybe Obama who has caused Healthcare costs to skyrocket, allowed tens of thousands of “refugees” who subscribe to the ideology of destroying freedom to live amongst us, managed to get people including Brian Terry killed due to Fast and Furious? At risk of typing all day, let me summarize: social security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, micro aggressions, safe spaces, billions of $ and nukes to Iran, destroying our military, $20T in debt, endless rounds of golf (one even interrupted a service member’s wedding which he knew about but played through anyway being the selfish, hateful pr1ck he is), attacking and maligning whites…gosh the list of ways the Left destroys the “little guy” is endless.
                    I think you’re pointing your finger in the wrong direction.

                    • You have the ability to recount all debunked scandals. Congratulations. You prove, yet again, how stupid the average American is. Don’t bother insulting me. I don’t give a crap what you have to say. My point is that you parrot the same bullshit so many idiots parrot. So you are not alone. Congratulations to FoxNews, Breitbart, and Alex Jones, for successfully dumbing down the nation.

                    • No ONE dumbs down the nation like the NY Times, MSNBC, the alphabet media . . . they are ALL Fake News !
                      Ever wonder why the all have the same opinion and sing from the same book?
                      They are dominated by the insane far-left progressives/fascists!

                  • What movie have you been watching Kathy?
                    Obama outspent every president from Washington to Bush 43 . . . ALL added together . . . did you life get better? Bet you luv your FREE ObyCare . . .
                    Did you know that the average life expectancy has DROPPED in the USA ?
                    Trump is the smartest person to occupy the WH in many decades . . . maybe since Washington !

                  • You know Kathy, I never once got a job or paycheck from a “little guy” and no one I know has either. If the Government makes it hard on the “big guy”, you know, the one with the smarts to own and run a business, ALL the “little guys” suffer. You know… NO JOBS!! Dumb-dumb.

              • Yes – definitely part of the truth. The sad thing is you have insignificant little liberal lemmings living in their Mommy’s basement who eat this stuff up, and protest because they think it gives their lives some meaning. But don’t forget to follow the money too !

                    • What a gullible moron: “It’s a ‘CHART’ of the world’s average temperature and yes charts include graphs”

                      A “chart of the world’s average temperature” is not the same thing as “the world’s actual average temperature is it?”

                      The distinction is lost on gullible leftists like you.

                      Would you like to see a chart on how the standard of living has improved in Cuba since Castro took over; poor old faithful Fidel painted it up on his death bed. Micheal Moore has just endorsed it: “More communists prefer Cuba over any other Marxist paradise” the famous Marxist scientist has proclaimed.

                      97% of all Marxism scientists agree.

                      In Cuba they dine on ambrosia and drink nectar. (It turns out that to the commie gods, their ambrosia is cat shit and their nectar is Al Gore’s piss)

                    • A “chart of the world’s average temperature” is not the same thing as “the world’s actual average temperature is it?” – SirGarath.

                      Are you trying to say that an average represents nothing physical. I.E. you can’t hold an average in your hand?

                      You can’t hold gravity in your hand either.

                      Is your argument then that Gravity doesn’t exist?

                      My goodness you are stupid.

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39771dcd8fe292e0a59c7207aa3a9ac665b054829fe36533ba204669c076fd16.png

                    • Sure gravity exists shit-for-brains, its an omnipresent force in the universe.

                      Whats the “average” gravitational force of the universe shit-for-brains?

                      Give us the answer in fractional g’s, should be dead easy for “science”

                    • So you think that gravity exists but temperature doesn’t.

                      LOL!

                      You are quite the ignorant kook.

                    • “Would you like to see a chart on how the standard of living has improved in Cuba since Castro took over” – Sirgarath

                      Why do you think that your personal political views have anything to do with the fact that adding CO2 to the atmosphere warms the surface of the earth?

                      Are you mentally ill?

                    • You see, shit-for-brains, Marxism has a perfect correlation with global warming whereas CO2 has none,

                      Since you are the one proposing that correlation is causation, the science of Marxism made global warming is proven – Q.E.D.

                    • “Marxism has a perfect correlation with global warming” – sirgarath

                      You are mentally ill boy. Have you seen a psychiatrist?

                      LOL

                    • “Would you like to see a chart on how the standard of living has improved in Cuba since Castro took over” – Sirgarath

                      The American Embargo has done great damage to the Cuban Economy. Shame on America.

                    • “A “chart of the world’s average temperature” is not the same thing as “the world’s actual average temperature is it?”” – sirgareth

                      One word. MOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOONNNNNN

                      LOL!

                      Have you noticed that the ice caps are melting?

                      The following graphic depicting the melti is not the real ice caps.

                      Hahahahahahahahahaha… Stupid.. Stupid… Sirgareth.

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3c52a56d06cea81e084fd693eb5084f5856221bde9f770d138fc642646c93bf5.jpg

                • You are a slave to ignorance . . .
                  Last century the planet warmed about 1 degree . . . this century it is likely to warm about 1 degree . . . been doing that since the last ice age.
                  CO2 is plant food, .04% of the atmosphere and can warm nothing.
                  It is a scam . . . surface data is FAKE . . . NOAA measures less than 1/3 of the land mass . . . and guestimates the rest . . . that is NOT science!

                  • Liar. Liar.. Pants on fire…

                    “this century it is likely to warm about 1 degree . . . been doing that since the last ice age. ” – DCW left coast

                    if this were the case then 12,000 years ago it would have been 120’C cooler than today and the world would have it’s atmosphere frozen to it’s surface as solid CO2 and Nitrogen.

                    So why do you feel a need to lie about such things?

                    Are you a moron?

                    • That’s what the IPCC predicted . . . of course you didn’t believe them . . . lol
                      They also said Gorebull Warming “had taken an Hyatus” . . .
                      You have to be a special kind of stoooopid to believe your nonsense man!

                      Earth faces another ICE AGE within 15 YEARS as Russian scientists discover Sun ‘cooling’
                      http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/723481/Earth-ICE-AGE-big-freeze-solar-activity

                      At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.
                      http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-destroy-capitalism/

                      We have been told now for almost three decades that man has to change his ways or his fossil-fuel emissions will scorch Earth with catastrophic warming. Scientists, politicians and activists have maintained the narrative that their concern is only about caring for our planet and its inhabitants. But this is simply not true. The narrative is a ruse. They are after something entirely different.

                      If they were honest, the climate alarmists would admit that they are not working feverishly to hold down global temperatures — they would acknowledge that they are instead consumed with the goal of holding down capitalism and establishing a global welfare state.
                      http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

                      As reported on the Deplorable Climate Science Blog site; NOAA claimed record heat in numerous locations is September in Africa and the Middle East. This is a remarkable feat, given that they don’t have any actual thermometers in those regions. In fact, NOAA doesn’t have any thermometers on about half of the land surface. Satellite temperatures showed that September was close to normal in those regions which NOAA declared to be record hot. Not only is the land data fake, but much of the ocean data is fake too. The global surface temperature record is garbage. This is the 21st century, and it needs to be replaced by satellite temperatures which show little or no warming this century.
                      http://canadafreepress.com/article/inconvenient-truths-about-the-man-made-global-warming-scam?utm_source=CFP+Mailout&utm_campaign=fdbfb9540f-CFP+Daily+Mailout&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d8f503f036-fdbfb9540f-297732885&mc_cid=fdbfb9540f&mc_eid=114678cdc8#

                    • “That’s what the IPCC predicted . . ” – DCW left coast

                      “Earth faces another ICE AGE within 15 YEARS as Russian scientists discover Sun ‘cooling'” – Express

                      Your source of nonsense is a UK tabloid called the Express from which we can also learn the following concerning Aliens, UFO’s, Bigfoot and Buildings found on Mars.

                      “Snow pyramid discovery’ in Antarctic could change the course of HUMAN HISTORY” – Express

                      Roswell and Rendlesham alien mysteries LINKED – hieroglyphics ‘seen on BOTH “UFOs'” – Express

                      “Horror of the girl with 1000’s of ants living inside her head.” – Express

                      “Is this the gateway to Heaven? Startling discovery made by amateur rocket enthusiast.” – Express

                      “Towers of Mars. Three mile high buildings found in a row on the Red Planet.” – Express

                      “UFO photographed entering undersea base.” – Express

                      “PROOF OF ALIENS? Huge UFO skims surface of the Moon during live cam recording” – Express

                      “Another huge UFO seen gliding over the moon.” – Express

                      “TR-B31 Triangular UFO hounds couple after they return from Area 51” – Express

                      “Alien signals detected from outside of Milky Way Astronomers detect origin of new space sound.” – Express

                      ———–

                      No wonder your comments on Global warming are so stupid. You don’t have the capacity to distinguish between tabloid nonsense created to deceive you and the real world.

                      Shameful.. Truly Shameful…

                    • The IPCC on page 37 in their last Summary said Warming had taken an Hyatus . . . . check it out loon.

                      I know it is complicated for your weak mind . . . but the Express merely reporting on what the Russian Scientists said . . . in no way makes the Russian Scientists responsible for everything else the Express might publish.

                      Anyone that has to “Believe” in gorebull warming must have a few missing screws, because they have been raving for over 25 years about this insanity . . . and have still not produced the REAL, Provable, Repeatable SCIENCE !

                    • Perhaps you should have actually looked at the document fool . . .

                      The United Nations Inter-governmental panel on climate change which cites 1998 to 2012 when it says in the UN IPCC technical briefing of 2013, page 37,

                      Despite the robust multi-decadal warming, there exists substantial inter-annual to decadal variability in the rate of warming, with several periods exhibiting weaker trends (including the warming hiatus since 1998) (Figure TS.1). The rate of warming over the past 15 years (1998–2012; 0.05 [–0.05 to +0.15] °C per decade) is smaller than the trend since 1951 (1951–2012; 0.12[0.08 to 0.14] °C per decade).

                      Did the Russian Scientists say anything about UFOs? Didn’t notice!
                      You have to be a special kind of stoooopid to think CO2 . . . merely .04% of the Atmosphere can warm anything. Isn’t Water Vapor the predominant GH gas . . . 95% of GA gasses? Do you think that might be a Clue?

                      Was there a time when the Klimate did NOT change? When was that?

                    • “Perhaps you should have actually looked at the document fool . .” – DCW Left Coast
                      .
                      You mean I should look at a different document that you claimed. A document that isn’t the latest report as you had claimed, and a document with a different title than you had claimed?

                      LOL!

                      The rate of warming over the past 15 years (1998–2012; 0.05 [–0.05 to +0.15] °C per decade)

                      And where is this Hiatus again? The warming trend from 1998 to 2012 was between 0’c and 0.2’C?

                      Through what torrent of stupidity do you conclude that a warming trend between 0 and 0.2’C is a zero warming?

                      LOL!

                      “Did the Russian Scientists say anything about UFOs?” – DCW Left Coast

                      “Are aliens draining our solar energy? Images of monster UFOs circling Sun emerge” – Express

                      From the Express article

                      “Back about 10 years ago, two Russian scientists announced that they have found hundreds of UFOs orbiting Earth’s sun at any given moment in time.

                      “And that these UFOs can increase and decrease speeds for no reason, and that they can make sudden right turns at speeds that should be impossible, especially for a moon size UFO.

                      LOL!

                    • You’re f’ed in the head man . . . typical insane leftist “Believer” !

                      Not the same scientists fool . . . f’ed in the head ! ! !

                      Never seen a UFO . . . but I just bet you have !

                      SIMPLE EXPERIMENT . . . you too can be a scientist . . .

                      The following is a summary of the makeup of the earths’ atmosphere:

                      Imagine, if you will, viewing the atmosphere in “parts per million”. Using a vessel capable of holding 1 million equally sized grains of sand; the vessel content would be as follows:

                      Nitrogen – 76.55 % or 765,500 grains of sand. Color White
                      Oxygen – 20.54 % or 205,400 grains of sand. Color Pale Blue
                      Argon – .91 % or 9,100 grains of sand. Color Light Tan (sand)
                      These three gases make up 98% of the earths’ atmosphere; the remaining 2% are the so called “Greenhouse Gases”, without which we would freeze to death. Your vessel is now 98% full.

                      Next add:
                      Water Vapor – 1.95% or 19,500 grains of sand. Color Medium Blue.
                      CO2 – .038% or 380 grains of sand. Color Black (“it’s a terrible hazard to humans”- quote source the EPA)
                      Methane – .012% or 120 grains of sand. Color Dark Blue – (the methane number will include miscellaneous gases that are too small to measure here).

                      Your vessel is now full!

                      Now, of the 380 grains of Black sand that represent CO2, 364.8 (96%)are introduced to the atmosphere “naturally”- volcanoes, sea floor expansion, wet lands, etc., the remaining 15.2 grains (4%) represent mankind’s contribution to CO2 in the atmosphere. This, of course, assumes that mankind is not a “natural” entity in the makeup of life on earth.

                      The 15.2 grains of Black sand are the complete volume of CO2 attributed to GLOBAL Human Activity. As industrious as the U.S has been let’s assume that we are responsible for 25% of the human contribution of atmospheric CO2 (total of 1% of the CO2 in the atmosphere). Therefore, we would be responsible for 3.8 grains of Black sand in the vessel.

                      In order to correct this terrible injustice to the earth we would have to eliminate all manufacturing, all food processing, any and all industry. Business such as hotels, restaurants, bakeries, yes even “government”; shut down every plane, train, bus, motor home, SUV, and PRIUS. Homes would have to go unheated and ALL of the 300 million people in the United States would have to Stop Breathing!!!!, which renders all conditions above moot. Once all of this is accomplished you can remove 3.8 grains of Black Sand from your vessel. (Removal of the 3.8 grains assumes you are the last man standing.)

                      California being what it is, if the rest of the country is unwilling to participate, then California can forge ahead on its’ own. Therefore, with the size of the California population being about 10% of the nation as a whole, once all California industry is eliminated and all residence Stop Breathing, you can remove .38 (POINT 38) grains of Black Sand from your vessel. The .38 grains would likely be offset with Dark Blue grains of sand from all of the methane emitted from the dead bodies after breathing stops.

                      I hope this has put the issue in a usable perspective for you. Introduce “SOUND SCIENCE” to the nation, perhaps we can move forward with a logical approach and eliminate some of the misguided and damaging legislation that is currently being proposed in this country for an absolute farce. Maybe then we get get some of our industry back from overseas and regan our natyions prospertiy.

                      Source of Gas percentages: http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/GlobWarmTest/start.html

                    • “Not the same scientists fool . . .” – DCW Left Coast

                      None of them are “scientists”, moron, the tabloid calling itself the “Express” just makes up bullshit like stories about ancient aliens, bigfoot and Martian skyscrapers 3 miles high, to keep morons like you believing in nonsense.

                      That fact just keeps passing right through your tiny, tiny, uneducated brain, undetected.

                      LOL. You will always be a moron.

                    • Why don’t you write the Scientists and explore the issue further . . . idiot ?

                      At least they have names, unlike the “Warmist” stories that regularly say “Scientists Believe” . . . lol

                      Just post the real science that proves AGW . . . bet you can’t ! ! !

                    • “Just post the real science that proves AGW . . . bet you can’t ! ! !” – DCW Left Coast

                      Science will never be able to teach newton’s laws to a bacteria.

                      The same is true when it comes to educating the willfully ignorant like you, and for the same reason.

                      LOL!

                    • Deflect, deflect and deflect some more . . .

                      YOU have zero science . . . merely “Belief” and “Scare” . . . you are bat-chit krazy man . . .

                      Some more facts on CO2 . . . ALL proven Science . . .

                      We know that there are two very different mechanisms that drive dynamics of CO2 exchange between air-water and air-biomass and therefore there is no such thing as global levels of CO2. Levels of CO2 above the water mass, covering 70% of the Earth surface is controlled by solubility of CO2 in water which is solely driven by temperature; while levels of CO2 above the biomass that covers most of the land surfaces is solely driven and controlled by photosynthesis.

                      We know that the only way to know exact numbers about CO2 concentrations above the water and biomass surfaces is to measure them at the surface levels, which we do not do, and therefore use of CO2 levels measured at a single point on the globe and at 4000 meters altitude (Mauna Loa Observatory, MLO, at Hawaii) represents one of the most miss-used high accuracy dataset in the history of modern science.

                      We know that the total emissions/reabsorption of CO2 by nature makes emissions of CO2 by burning fossil fuels totally insignificant and lost in the instrumental accuracy levels.

                      We know that the levels of CO2 that we live amidst in our everyday lives have nothing in common with the observed CO2 levels at MLO based at an altitude of 4000 meters above sea level.

                      We know that there is no difference between CO2 levels accurately measured 200 years ago and last year – they all go up and down depending when and where you measure them.

                      We know that there is no possible correlation between CO2 levels dissolved in water in its liquid state and CO2 levels found in ice, i.e. water in its solid state.

                      We know that it is CO2 that makes major contribution to the width of tree rings. So, no CO2 means no tree rings and no life.

                    • LOL. Tens of thousands of peer review papers in the scientific press confirming that the globe is warming, and you claim….

                      “YOU have zero science . . . merely “Belief” and “Scare” . . . you are bat-chit krazy man . . .” – DCW Left Coast

                      Hahahahah…. You are mentally ill Boy.

                      Hahahahahaha…….

                    • You are fantizing again loon . . . Jones was the gatekeeper . . . the FIX was in right from the start . . . where is all this Gorebull Warming?
                      Wasn’t New York to be flooded by today and the Arctic Ice Free 4 years ago?

                      Are all these REAL Scientists wrong ? ? ?

                      Not that the fascist, anti-science left would actually have the intellectual honesty to review this, but here are peer reviewed scientists – in their own words – on the scam of BIG GREEN MONEY global warming: (sorry for the bad line breaks, but from a 400 page paper I did on the scam)(author)

                      “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” – Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent
                      scientists of the last 100 years.”

                      “Inevitably in climate science, when data conflicts with models, a small coterie of scientists can be counted upon to modify the data…That the data should always need correcting to agree with models is totally implausible and indicative of a certain corruption within the climate science community.” Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT

                      Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” – UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

                      “The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” – Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the
                      Planet.

                      “Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” – Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

                      “The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC “are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” – Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico

                      “It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” – U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

                      “Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

                      “After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri’s asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it’s hard to remain quiet.” – Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society’s Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review. (Note: there really IS a Flat Earth Society, at http://www.theflatearthsociety…, whose president Danieel Shenton, thinks “the evidence suggests fossil fuel usage is contributing to global warming.” (See http://www.tinyurl.com/ozn2wfe. So much for Obama’s comment that “We don’t have time for a meeting of the Flat Earth Society.”

                      “For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?” – Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

                      “Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” – Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

                      “Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” – Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

                      “Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” – Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

                      ______________________________________

                      This is all so silly when the facts are so simple:

                      CO2 is a “trace gas” in air and is insignificant by definition. It absorbs 1/7th as much IR, heat energy, from sunlight per molecule as water vapor which has 188 times as many molecules capturing 1200 times as much heat producing 99.8% of all “global warming.” CO2 does only 0.2% of it. For this we should destroy our economy, starve the world, cause hunger, riots and wars?

                      There is no “greenhouse effect” in an atmosphere. A greenhouse has a solid, clear cover trapping heat. The atmosphere does not trap heat as gas molecules cannot form surfaces to work as greenhouses that admit and reflect energy depending on sun angle. Gases do not form surfaces as their molecules are not in contact.

                      The Medieval Warming from 800 AD to 1300 AD Micheal Mann erased for his “hockey stick” was several Fahrenheit degrees warmer than anything “global warmers” fear. It was 500 years of world peace and abundance, longest ever.

                      Vostock Ice Core data analysis show CO2 rises followed temperature by 800 years 19 times in 450,000 years. Therefore temperature change is cause and CO2 change is effect. This alone refutes the anthropogenic global warming hypothesis.

                      Methane is called “a greenhouse gas 20 to 500 times more potent than CO2,” by Heidi Cullen and Jim Hansen, but it is not per the energy absorption chart at the American Meteorological Society. It has an absorption profile very similar to nitrogen which is classified “transparent” to IR, heat waves and is only present to 18 ppm. “Vegans” blame methane in cow flatulence for global warming in their war against meat consumption.

                      Carbon combustion generates 80% of our energy. Control and taxing of carbon would give the elected ruling class more power and money than anything since the Magna Carta of 1215 AD.

                      Most scientists and science educators work for tax supported institutions. They are eager to help government raise more money for them and they love being seen as “saving the planet.”

                      Read the whole story in “Vapor Tiger” at Amazon.com, Kindle $2.99 including a free Kindle reading program for your computer.

                      This report was from The Washington Post, November 2, 1922 – 93 years ago:

                      “The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from the Consulate at
                      Bergen, Norway. Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well-known glaciers have
                      entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.”

                    • Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…
                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8c35a97c2059ed0f3564a306e5705a5ff1efb7cc4fdabf7f7e016fa889f7dfa0.jpg
                      “We know that there are two very different mechanisms that drive dynamics of CO2 exchange between air-water and air-biomass and therefore there is no such thing as global levels of CO2” – DCW Left Coast

                      Hahahahahaha… And yet direct measurement of atmospheric CO2 levels from all around the world show that CO2 levels in clean air are essentially the same no matter where the levels are sampled.

                      Here is the data plotted on the same graph from Co2 observations taken at 11 different observation stations located all over the globe.

                      The overlap in the mean is nearly perfect.

                    • Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

                      “therefore use of CO2 levels measured at a single point on the globe” – Darko Butina

                      CO2 measurements are taken from multiple sites that are scattered all around the world.

                      And the mean of the measurements taken all over the world are practically identical.

                      LOL! Donnie Darko is almost as stupid as you,

                      And that is hard to do.

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8c35a97c2059ed0f3564a306e5705a5ff1efb7cc4fdabf7f7e016fa889f7dfa0.jpg

                    • “Never seen a UFO . . . but I just bet you have !” – DCW Left Coast

                      UFO sightings and abductions are primarily seen in the Southern U.S. where Conservative hicks use the to explain why they have soiled they chronically soil their underpants.

                      It’s the constant rectal probing.

                      LOL!

                    • Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

                      “Nitrogen – 76.55 % or 765,500 grains of sand. Color White
                      Oxygen – 20.54 % or 205,400 grains of sand. Color Pale Blue” – DCW Left Coast

                      Those are the optical colours of Nitrogen and Oxygen in their liquid state at 1 atmosphere. They are transparent to all optical and infrared frequencies in their gaseous state.

                      So you can take that 97% of the atmosphere in your experiment and make it completely invisible.

                      LOL. You are spectacularly ignorant, as always.

                    • liar..Liar.. Pants on fire…

                      “Argon – .91 % or 9,100 grains of sand.” – DCW Left Coast

                      Argon has approximately the same solubility as oxygen and it is 2.5 times as soluble in water as nitrogen . This chemically inert element is colorless and odorless in both its liquid and gaseous forms. It is not found in any compounds.

                      Read more: http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/ar.htm#ixzz4SoZsk9uc

                      LOL. Like all Republians you live to lie.

                    • ‘These three gases make up 98% of the earths’ atmosphere; the remaining 2% are the so called “Greenhouse Gases”, without which we would freeze to death. Your vessel is now 98% full.” – DCW Left Coast

                      Yup and that 98% of the atmosphere is invisible (transparent).

                      So whatever radiation is trapped by the atmosphere is trapped by the remaining 2 percent.

                      LOL. You are scientifically illiterate.

                    • “Water Vapor – 1.95% or 19,500 grains of sand. Color Medium Blue.” – DCW Left Coast

                      The 2% of the trace gasses that constitute the atmosphere, account for almost 100% of the heat retention of the earth’s lower atmosphere and surface.

                      Without those gasses. The Earth’s temperature would be similar to that of the moon, and would fall to almost -270’C every night.

                      LOL. You might have noticed that that doesn’t happen. Then again, you are such a moron that you might not have noticed.

                      LOL!

                    • Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

                      “the remaining 15.2 grains (4%) represent mankind’s contribution to CO2 in the atmosphere.” – DCW Left Coast

                      Man’s contribution to the CO2 content of the atmosphere is to have raised it from around 270 ppmv to the current 400 ppvm. This is an increase of 48%. and an increase in the atmospheric fraction of CO2 in the atmosphere of .016 ppmv.

                      But since 98% of the earth’s atmosphere is transparent, it represents an increase of in the coloured components of the atmosphere by about 1 percent.

                      LOL. My goodness you are a scientifically illiterate Moron.

                    • Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

                      “In order to correct this terrible injustice to the earth we would have to eliminate all manufacturing” – DCW Left Coast

                      Awwww. You ain’t gonna be able to manufacture garbage that is designed to fail to be sold to morons like you who don’t know any better.

                      Awwwwwwwwww

                      In fact manufacturing is occurring now powered via renewable emery that is not increasing the CO2 content of the atmosphere.

                      It is quite amusing that your argument is that global warming can’t be happening because you have some imagined fantasy about what the reality of that warming will do to the economy.

                    • “I hope this has put the issue in a usable perspective for you.” – DCW Left Coas

                      LOL! Ya it did. You just proved yourself to be scientifically illiterate and a congenital liar.

                    • Your an idiot.

                      1900 – A Swede, Knut Angstrom, discovers that even at the tiny concentrations found in the atmosphere, CO2 strongly absorbs parts of the infrared spectrum. Although he does not realize the significance, Angstrom has shown that a trace gas can produce greenhouse warming.

                      “The ability of certain trace gases to be relatively transparent to incoming visible light from the sun, yet opaque to the energy radiated from the earth is one of the best understood processes in the atmospheric sciences.”
                      http://www.ucar.edu/learn/1_3_1.htm

                    • “Anyone that has to “Believe” in gorebull warming must have a few missing screws” – DCW left coast

                      But someone who uses a tabloid that reports on UFO’s apparitions and bigfoot, is smarter than all of the world scientists whom he disagrees with.

                      LOL. You are quite the petulant moron.

                    • Perhaps you should have read a little on the loon that created the IPCC . . . Maurice Strong . . . he believed in lots of crazy stuff !

                      He is even Krazier than Al Gore . . . lol

                      The Very Important Person is Canadian multimillionaire Maurice Strong, a former under-secretary general of the United Nations, executive director of the United Nations Environmental Programme (UNEP), chairman of the UN’s Rio Earth Summit in 1992, and a person who is working as diligently as he can with his mystic second wife Hanne [née Marstrand] to help create a New Earth-Friendly Religion.
                      http://www.abeldanger.net/2012/07/maurice-and-hanne-strongs-baca.html

                      More AGW Fraud . . .
                      “It is an indication of how science is gradually being influenced by political views. The reality hasn’t been keeping up with the [computer] models. Therefore, if people are proposing to do major changes to the world’s economic system we must have much more solid information.” —Climate Change apostate, Professor Lennart Bengtsson

                      “Pay no attention to the man behind that curtain!” —Eco-religionists and power-hungry politicians, in unison.

                      I will keep pounding the podium, and saying it over and over: This whole Global Warming/Climate Change agenda is political and economic, and has very little to do with real science. There is no crisis!

                      From the Global Warming Policy Foundation: “Scientists in Cover-Up of ‘Damaging’ Climate View.”

                      In an echo of the infamous “Climategate” scandal at the University of East Anglia, one of the world’s top academic journals rejected the work of five experts after a reviewer privately denounced it as “harmful”.

                      Lennart Bengtsson, a research fellow at the University of Reading and one of the authors of the study, said he suspected that intolerance of dissenting views on climate science was preventing his paper from being published. “The problem we now have in the climate community is that some scientists are mixing up their scientific role with that of a climate activist,” he added.

                      Professor Bengtsson’s paper challenged the finding of the UN’s Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that the global average temperature would rise by up to 4.5C if greenhouse gases in the atmosphere were allowed to double.

                      It suggested that the climate might be much less sensitive to greenhouse gases than had been claimed by the IPCC in its report last September, and recommended that more work be carried out “to reduce the underlying uncertainty”.

                      The five contributing scientists, from America and Sweden, submitted the paper to Environmental Research Letters, one of the most highly regarded journals, at the end of last year but were told in February that it had been rejected.

                      A scientist asked by the journal to assess the paper under the peer review process wrote that he strongly advised against publishing it because it was “less than helpful”.

                      The unnamed scientist concluded: “Actually it is harmful as it opens the door for oversimplified claims of ‘errors’ and worse from the climate sceptics media side.”

                      Professor Bengtsson resigned from the advisory board of Lord Lawson of Blaby’s climate sceptic think-tank this week after being subjected to what he described as McCarthy-style pressure from fellow academics.

                      The world was created to be much more resilient than these climate-bloviators want to admit. There is a proper place for earth-care, but practically everything out of the Climate Change movement has nothing to do with it.

                      http://politicaloutcast.com/yet-another-peer-reviewed-cover-global-warming/

                    • Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire.

                      It is an indication of how science is gradually being influenced by political views. The reality hasn’t been keeping up with the [computer] models.

                      The computer models don’t predict weather. They are designed to average away weather and produce measures of climate that have a minimum duration of 30 years.

                      Even so, they are doing a remarkable job of predicting the Earth’s temperature as the following graphic shows.

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d417f7a8a927588352665368fd10fa78f661e9f01deccaf33c4b57a8dd7676fa.png

                    • “Professor Bengtsson resigned from the advisory board of Lord Lawson of Blaby’s climate sceptic think-tank this week” – DCW Left Coast

                      Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww……. LOL

                      “Later that day, Professor Bengtsson issued a statement that “I do not believe there is any systematic ‘cover-up’ of scientific evidence on climate change or that academics’ work is being ‘deliberately suppressed’, as the Times front page suggests.”

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Bengtsson

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/de3a485f7fffd280bf2a172bf89bb5b08ff180340e8c4707b9e456b84e10107a.png

                  • “CO2 is .04% of the atmosphere and can warm nothing. ” – DCW left coast

                    The average temperature of the earth is about 400’C above absolute zero.

                    .04% of 400 = 0.16’C

                    So at a minimum we can expect 0.16’C of warming from a doubling of CO2.

                    But in reality the value is about ten times larger because the primary components of the the atmosphere, nitrogen and Oxygen are transparent to Infared Radiation. So CO2 plays a much larger roll in keeping the earth’s surface insulated than it’s simple proportion would indicate.

                    When you learn how to add and subtract this will be obvious to you.

              • Funny how every crisis, real or imagined, always has the same solution:
                Money.
                Power.
                Societal Control.

                When the only tool you have is a hammer, every crisis, real or imagined, looks like a nail.

            • I agree with most of what you posted. However, regarding using oil, it would be great to get most of it from NA and forget supporting the awful ME regimes, it is a global market and as long as private companies are developing oil resources, they are going to put it on the global market to get the best price. So the gov’t would have to force NA companies into some kind of regional marketplace and I don’t think we want that for many reasons. So I think the energy independence thing is kind of not really a realistic possibility given the nature of world markets. It would be good to support North American energy development so that we could be independent if the world situation deteriorated.

              • I was in the oil drilling business here in Texas. I do not understand why we need one drop of oil from outside the USA. With the new huge oil/gas discovery in Texas and allowing new refineries to be built we can easily be energy independent. Drain the swamp and it can be done

                • I’ll paste from above why; :)…We (the USA.inc) use Mid East oil because if we weren’t, another country e.g.- China, India or Russia would have that access. It’s a strategic move and well thought out when you consider the alternatives…We now have operations, with OUR people in those countries…Trust me when I suggest, the Man, makes NO mistakes…Everything has a purpose. And, as an American and student of big Oil for decades…I hope that we stop using it and collapse those scumbags in Dubai…They were capping wells in Prudhoe and north slope Alaska in the 90’s because we have TOO much oil. That area has enough oil to run the world forever…As I am sure you know, if you follow mining reports, texas wells, once thought run out are now refilling.

                  • I agree with you as I understand the political aspects behind it, however, we the tax payers, we the Americans are being drained in our balance of trade for it. If we were to free up our energy sources we could supply the free world with their needs.
                    By the way, the new Texas find can supply the USA its entire needs for 20 to 30 years. There are energy fields in Ohio, Penn, W. Virgina and who knows where else.
                    Peak Oil equals BS

                    • Peak oil is indeed bullshit and I wish we had a say so in how our energy sources are distributed but, unfortunately, we are just slaves (legally) on the Federal Plantation…We no sooner have a say so in oil policy than we do on Pentagon spending…

                • The Marcellus in the eastern U.S. is one of the largest gas fields in the world. If we would fast track LNG facilities on the east coast we could export gas to Europe and the resulting windfall would be a tremendous boost to the economies of the Pennsylvania and West Virginia. If New York doesn’t want to participate, the taxpayers of that state might disagree with their foolish political leaders. Presently new LNG (liquefied natural gas) facilities are meeting resistance from the federal and local governments and losing massive opportunities to create wealth in those states, not to mention the federal government. And the environmental interests should be happy since natural gas is a very clean energy source.

              • I’ll give you a different perspective as a USAF vet…We (the USA.inc) use ME oil because if we weren’t, another country e.g.- China, India or Russia would have that access. It’s a strategic move and well thought out when you consider the alternatives…We now have operations, with OUR people in those countries…Trust me when I suggest, the Man, makes NO mistakes…Everything has a purpose.

                • Large American oil companies, supported by our government decided that they would focus on the world’s largest remaining reserves because huge companies need opportunities of that scale to ‘move their needle’. Smaller oil companies that have stayed in the domestic search for energy resources have transformed our energy resource base by the introduction of new technologies and concepts. These companies have ushered us into an age of energy independence and the possibility of becoming a major exporter of fossil fuels, thereby providing a huge boost to our domestic economy. If we would simply take care of our own business here in America it would matter far less what other countries do. Our fixation with the Middle East was predicated entirely on the assumption that we needed their production. That is no longer the case and they have less leverage as a result. You have a point as it relates to what we have done in the past, but fortunately we no longer have to worry about such things,

                  • I don’t want to offend you but…You really don’t have a clue…It sounds good what you are stating, but it may as well be an NPR controlled opposition piece… if you think fuels are fossil, it is evidence that you really don’t have a clue…http://principia-scientific.org/russians-nasa-discredit-fossil-fuel-theory-demise-of-junk-co2-science/

                    You have never owned, nor most likely will you ever, own a business nor understand Macro-economics…There is an axiom in business; “expand or die”…Mr. Rockefeller, who knew a bit about business said; Competition is a sin. That is why Standard Oil bought every oil company it could and were in the mid east in the 30’s, bribing, fooling, stealing or coupling with those that owned the land where the oil is…It’s just business. There is no fixation and YOU are not “WE”…”We” aka “them” dba USA co. inc. … “They” didn’t go to the mid east because “They” needed to or were worried about depleting inventory…”They” went to steal it from the A-rabs…Most likely funded and logistically supplied by the as yet to be formed Israel…:)…Veritas vos liberabit.

                    • I have 39 years in the industry. I have formed several of my own companies in the search for oil and gas. You can disagree all you want but I damned well know what I am talking about. You are boorish and pretentious. I don’t have time for you.

                    • Do you? Then how come you think oil is a fossil fuel? I may be “pretentious” but at least I know what I’m talking about…~smirk!

            • I agree with you. The left tends to go overboard to the like climate change. In fact, it gets to the point that it looks like the hysterics of chicken little. Now they are monitoring the farts of cows because of the omission they give out. For pete sakes, what will these environmentalist think of next?

            • I can buy into climate change as the climate has been changing for thousands of years. There was a minor ice age in the 13th century, long before the advent of SUVs. As Dennis Miller said ‘I want clean water and clean air other than that don’t let the solar windmill hit your a$$ on the way out’

            • Savage and intolerant Middle Easterners, to be sure–but regardless of how much oil we produce, they will always have a market, that’s just an economic reality.
              A more strategic solution is to pump all of their oil out of the ground we possibly can, as quickly as possible, to literally empty that well. That’s the only way to end their income. When all their oil is gone, THEN we can ramp up domestic production.

            • I agree. Man is capable of fouling his surroundings, but also capable of cleaning up. However, man is NOT capable of controlling Mother Nature which includes the Sun, oceans, eruptions, etc. So if indeed the climate is changing, it is for the most part, out of our hands.

                • There is no such thing as the “average” temperature of the Earth and you could not even give a definition of what it consists of.

                  Try this on: What is the “average” speed of the world’s automobiles since 1900?

                  How would you define it ?

                  What would it mean?

                  How would you reconstruct it?

                  I could pose at least 100 issues that make the entire question nonsensical

                  Now try this: The “average” temperature of the Earth or its reconstruction is billions of times more complex then mine yet equally meaningless.

                    • There are of course all kinds of averages, there is a mean, a mode, and a median. In addition there are effective averages and root means squared averages. Moreover all types averages can be distributed over spacial or temporal distributions. Finally for continuous functions all types of averages can be sampling averages or fully integrated averages. Which combination of averages and methods are appropriate for measuring the “average” temperature of the planet?

                      Here, try a simple one first, what’s the method for finding “average” value in all three dimensions

                      https://www.pacifict.com/images/cexp12.jpg

                    • “Which combination of averages and methods are appropriate for measuring the “average” temperature of the planet?” – Sigrarath

                      If you were not an lazy, ignorant, fool you would have lifted a finger and found out. How many decades have you been procrastinating, and content with your ignorance?

                      In assessing weather the earth is warming or not is a metric that increases as global temperature increases. The metric chosen is a weighted average surface temperature, which is taken to be sum over_all_regions (region_area * temperature)/ total area.

                      This metric converges to T when T is constant over the entire surface of the earth, and is a discrete approximation to the integrated average over a surface as defined by physicists using calculus.

                      The limit of the above summation equals the integral average of the surface.

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f8d71c4cdb2f8cb7c89be9158f6a5d41eaadf06a36de656559e627ff149be7b9.png

                    • It all sounds so simple to a simpleton shit-for-brains. The “experts” (armies of shit-for-brains, like you) tell us that global warming doesn’t really “warm the globe” which on its face is a bullshit statement and its not really possible to tell which localities are exempt from its wrath.

                      Thus New York City can experience really bad “global warming” while Albany 100 miles away can be totally exempt from “global warming” over the same centuries.

                      Now if we “average” 1000 thermometers from New York City with one from Albany and the “average” of the 1000 from New York indicate the globe has warmed 5 degrees F and Albany has stayed the same over the same century, just how much will the globe have warmed using these 1001 thermometers as a proxy for global temperature rise over the last century ?

                      You can use addition, multiplication, long division, differential or integral calculus. You can write a 10,000 line hunk of bullshit Fortran code or even use a spread sheet. Its not that hard.

                      Just tell me to a precision of 0.01 degrees (like the “experts” do) how much the globe has warmed over the last century using these two cities as a proxy for “global warming”

                      I’ll await your answer shit-for-brains

                    • “The “experts” (armies of shit-for-brains, like you) ” – SirGareth

                      Otherwise known as trained scientists. But Sirgareth with his less than grade 5 education knows better than all of them. Cause he be da smardtested…

                      Hahahahahahahahaha…. Stupid…Stupid.. Stupid, mentally ill child….

                    • MOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRONNNNNNNNN

                      “Thus New York City can experience really really really bad “global warming” ” – sirgareth

                      Hay Moron. LOL! Have you noticed that Global warming is.. you know… Global.

                      You do know what the word “Global” means don’t you?

                      Moooooooooorrrrrrrrroooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnn.

                    • “what’s the method for finding “average” value in all three dimensions” – Sirgirath

                      P (x,y) is forms a scalar field over the surface (x,y)

                      The average over the region a<=x<=b :: c<=y<=d is

                      Average = Integral from a to b ( integral from c to d (P*d(area)))/total area

                      The initial conditions are set so that when P=0 for all x,y, then the Average(P) = 0.

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1badce1de8f4bc03cdbdae157de5a709621a74d2d8d59a847cb3e2ab7eb2190f.jpg

                      Melting Ice Caps.

                    • RE: The average speed is indeterminate due to a lack of information.”

                      Hey, you accidentally stumbled onto something that’s true.

                      How much “information” is required to “average” the thermal energy of every molecule of planet earth?

                      By the way any proper measurement of average heat content is measured in joules, not degrees. There is a huge difference, but this simple fact may be lost on you.

                      If its not the average heat content of the entire planet, then which subset of its molecules are included in “average ‘heat content’ of the Earth” be precise.

                      Next what are the appropriate spacial and temporal sampling sizes and areas and the error bars associated with each. Be specific and show your math.

                      Otherwise you are just another echo chamber for bullshit.

                    • “Hey, you accidentally stumbled onto something that’s true.” – Sigareth

                      I am not responsible for your ignorance.

                      You are.

                    • “How much “information” is required to “average” the thermal energy of every molecule of planet earth?” – Sigrarath

                      What makes you think that you need to know the energy of every particle on earth to have a measure of the earth’s temperature?

                      Must you know the energy of every particle in your house to know it’s temperature? Do you need to know the energy of every molecule in your body to know your body temperature?

                      Are you trying to argue that temperature is an invalid concept because you think that an objects temperature can only be measured by measuring the energy of every molecule in that object?

                      Do you think that thermometers are some kind of conspiracy?

                      LOL!

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c443b25bc5c38f6e0893428fe55dcd880a1b004216bea005ac3f6e3e081dd763.jpg
                      My goodness you are ignorant of basic science.

                    • Hey shit for brains, I have three thermometers in my house and a set back thermostat. The temperature varies several degrees C from room to room and hour to hour.

                      How is the “average” temperature” of my house figured shit-for-brains.

                    • “I have three thermometers in my house” – sirgareth

                      Good for you. Maybe next year you will get some running water and a flush toilet.

                    • “The temperature varies several degrees C from room to room and hour to hour.

                      How is the “average” temperature” of my house figured shit-for-brains.”

                      LOL. You are now confusing measurement error and temporal variance with an average value.

                      When fools make measurements they often fail as you have done.

                      When scientists take measurements they include error bars.

                      In your case you have stumbled upon the error in your measurements but were too ignorant of what to do to include them.

                      In your case the temperature of your house is t += 2′.

                      If you were smart you would do a statistical analysis of the error in order to characterize it. Compute the standard deviation, ensure that it is normally distributed, look at some residuals etc.

                      But given that you have a grade 4 level of comprehension of simple averages, you clearly don’t have the brain power to do any of that.

                      You is Dumber than a sack of door knobs.

                    • RE: “When scientists take measurements they include error bars.”

                      What are the error bars for the “average global temperature” for calendar year 1850?

                      (I’m assuming its not another interval, and wonder why Jan 1 is arbitrarily assumed to be the “right” date to begin such intervals – must be in deference to the god Janus.)

                      How are the error bars calculated shit-for-brains, show us the math.

                      RE” “In your case the temperature of your house is t += 2′”

                      What the hell shit-for-brains,

                      Adding 2 to some unassigned “t” arrives at the “average” temperature of my house???

                      What the hell are talking about shit-for-brains,

                      Normally real physics and real math do not employ programming language shorthand operator notation. I assume you really meant t = t +2 which is not as obtuse as your shit-for-a-brain.

                    • “why Jan 1 is arbitrarily assumed to be the “right” date to begin such intervals” – sirgareth

                      The month over which averaging starts is not relevant of course. Laughable that that fact confuses you.

                      LOL.

                      But your assertion is false anyhow. Since global climate averages are performed on a monthly basis, anyone can select any month they like to be the start of their annual average.

                      For convenience, NASA gistemp breaks the year into 4 seasons, averaging over each season, and also includes two yearly averages.

                      AnnMean
                      Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec J-D D-N DJF MAM JJA SON

                      The numbers for 2016 – the warmest year in the last 120,000 years are…

                      2016 116 134 130 109 94 76 84 99 90 89 **** **** **** *** 121 111 86 ****

                      Compare with the temp anomaly from 1880

                      1880 -30 -21 -18 -27 -14 -28 -23 -7 -17 -16 -19 -22 -20 *** **** -20 -20 -17 1880

                      LOL! You are spectacularly ignorant.

                    • Hey shit for brains…what was the “average temperature for Montana in 1876? Custer and his merry men were getting their Sioux buzz-cuts at the Little Big Horn where someone recorded the temperature at 106 on that date in June when they all went to their etenal rest.

                      Now Montana Territory is pretty tiny at 150,000 square miles so maybe we should exclude it. How about Siberia shit-for-brains at 5,000,000 square miles shit-for-brains, how hot was it in 1880? How about Antarctica shit-for-brains How about the Sahara 3,500,000 square miles. or better yet the entire dark continent at 12,000,000 square miles, Antarctica
                      at 5,400,000 square miles, etc etc etc.
                      Maybe they had the first student to wake up in the Harvard Yard (10 acres) read the temperature next to the dorm room and they just “estimated the rest of the world” shit-for-brains

                      Do they have the average temperature for Mars in 1880? Cant “science” just figure it out shit-for-brains

                      Do you know the difference between global warming groupies like yourself and snake worshipers shit-for-brains?

                      Snake worshipers are a bit skeptical of their leader’s claims shit-for-brains

                    • “someone recorded the temperature at 106 on that date in June”

                      Did they record the average temperature for the state? LOL!

                    • Hard to do shit-for-brains, the state didn’t exist.

                      Maybe the Sioux, Cheyenne, and Crow sent them to NOAA by smoke signal shit-for-brains .

                    • The state is defined by arbitrary boundaries that the atmosphere does no respect.

                      Reminds me of the amount of respect rational people have for mentally ill retards like you.

                      LOL!

                      “Maybe the Sioux, Cheyenne, and Crow sent them to NOAA” – sirgareth

                      Well, that is clearly how you see the world from planet retard.

                      LOL!

                      Have you noticed that the ice caps are melting?

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3c52a56d06cea81e084fd693eb5084f5856221bde9f770d138fc642646c93bf5.jpg

                    • “How about the Sahara at 3,500,000 square miles in 1880 shit-for-brains, or better yet the entire dark continent at 12,000,000 square miles or how about Antarctica
                      at 5,400,000 square miles in 1880 shit-for-brains?.” – sirgareth

                      Science doesn’t work to the arbitrary regions that you specify.

                      Interior Antarctic temperatures can be inferred from Antarctic coastal temperatures, which are determined by proxies. Direct temperature measurements are also made in the antarctic ice, by lowering s thermometer into deep holes drilled into the ice.

                      From the temperature profile, the history of the average yearly temperature can be computed.

                      You might want to check out the book “Arid lands in Roman Times”, edited by Mario Liveranti

                      As to historical Antarctic temps…

                      Palaeoclimate records provide an essential context for

                      Borehole temperatures reveal a changed energy budget at Mill
                      Island, East Antarctica, over recent decades
                      http://www.the-cryosphere.net/7/263/2013/tc-7-263-2013.pdf

                    • RE “Inferred by proxies”

                      That what Lord Kelvin did with his peer approved age of the Earth and sun to 3 significant decimal places. What could possibly go wrong shit-for-brains?

                    • “That what Lord Kelvin did” – sirgareth

                      Most scientific measurements are proxy measurements. Kelivin for example didn’t measure anything on his own but relied on the proxy measurement of the spectra of CO2, made by other scientists.

                      They couldn’t detect long wave photons directly in Kelvin’s time, so they used a bolometer and a thermocouple to make their crude measurements.

                      LOL.. You are spectacularly ignorant. Even for a MORON.

                    • “with his peer approved age of the Earth and sun to 3 significant decimal places.” – sirgareth

                      It will occurr to those who are not mentally ill that estimating the century scale warming of the earth does not require precise knowledge of the age of the Earth, or sun beyond a few centuries.

                      You whine about it because you are both mentally ill and scientifically illiterate. The universe makes little sense to you.

                      You will never even begin to understand it.

                    • Shall we assume the error bars for these unverifiable crackpot theories of bureaucrats are even less reliable than Lord Kelvin’s mathematical models for the age of the Solar System shit-for-brains?

                    • You assume many silly things. That is why you are regarded as mentally ill.

                      Science has advanced 150 years since Lord Kelvin’s time, and not only have his results been confirmed by modern science, they have become an integral part of all modern science.

                      So unless you intend to try and invalidate the last 150 years of modern science, you aren’t going to succeed in your defending your madness.

                      The willfully igorant – people like you – are always perpetual failures.

                      LOL!

                    • RE: “Science has advanced 150 years since Lord Kelvin’s time, and not only have his results been confirmed by modern science, they have become an integral part of all modern science.”

                      Ahh the error bars of “peer reviewed science” are converging with recent improvements and methods, we can forgive Lord Kelvin’s for his peer reviewed precision in dating the solar system 30 million years instead of today’s greater levels of precision. How much more accurately can his figure be determined today shit-for-brains.?

                    • “Ahh the error bars of “peer reviewed science” are converging with recent improvements and methods” – sirgareth

                      The error bars are strongly overlapping, and have been some time.

                      That is why scientists spend a good bit of their time laughing at Morons like you.

                    • RE: “That is why scientists spend a good bit of their time laughing at Morons like you.”

                      and why not shit for brains, they are all on the dole and not expected to do anything productive beyond promoting their socialist religion.

                    • Ya, all those evil scientists guys are out there stealing your money, and not producing anything, just inventing new materials, new medicines, new processes, new research, and advancing all fields of engineering, technology, medicine, transportation etc.

                      You are right, the world would be much better off without those scientist parasites. Average life expectancy would go back to 30 years, so we would all be so much closer to God.

                      LOL!

                      Tell us again, mental illness boy, how averaging is a form of Marxism,

                      LOL!

                    • Now you’re grouping surgeons with frauds like Oral Roberts, aren’t both groups healers shit-for-brains?

                      No shit-for-brains, real science is done by men of vision, not losers on some bureaucratic GS wage scale.

                    • The only person who mentioned Oral Roberts is you.

                      Which makes it very clear that you are the Fraud in this conversation.

                      LOL!

                    • “we can forgive Lord Kelvin’s for his peer reviewed precision in dating the solar system 30 million years” – sirgareth

                      In fact, Lord Kelvin’s results were contested by his scientific peers – the Geologists.

                      The Geologists turned out to be correct. Science is like that. The correct ideas win.

                      That is why you are a perpetual loser.

                      LOL!

                    • So who was correct shit-for-brains?

                      Was it Lord Kelvin’s “peers” or their “denialists” shit-for-brains ?

                    • “So who was correct shit-for-brains?” – Sigareth

                      It has been stated at least 4 times by now. Someone who isn’t mentally ill wouldn’t need to ask.

                      The geologists were correct.

                    • Stanley was still lost in Africa looking for Livingston who got lost looking for the source of the Nile in the 1880s shit-for-brains, who gave them the daily temperature readings for Lake Victoria (or the rest of the 12,000,000 square continent ) shit-for-brains? The Bushmen? The Hottentots?

                      This is how we get people with shit-for-brains worshiping snakes and climate “scientists,” , their minds are less analytical than a shit-rolling dung beetle.

                    • “Stanley was still lost in Africa looking for Livingston who got lost looking for the source of the Nile in the 1880s shit-for-brains”

                      That’s what happens without accurate maps and without radio or telephones.

                      Whiner

                    • “Who gave them the daily temperature readings for Lake Victoria” – sirgareth

                      The temperatures of Lake Victoria can actually be determined by oxygen isotope ratios of sediments and mollusc cross sections taken from the lake at different depths and dated via carbon dating.

                      Undoubtedly there are other methods that can also be used.

                      As long as you work to remain ignorant you will remain ignorant, which will be forever.

                    • RE: The temperatures of Lake Victoria can actually be determined by oxygen isotope ratios of sediments and mollusc cross sections taken from the lake at different depths and dated via carbon dating.

                      The temperatures of Lake Victoria can also be determined by “scientists” consulting an ouija board shit-for-brains. The error bars for each are about the same shit-for-brains.

                      Unverifiable models used to reconstruct precise temperature data from the past is how Lord Kelvin achieved his “peer reviewed” age of the sun at no more than 30 million years.shit-for-brains.

                      Can bristle cone cypress tree rings be used as thermometers shit-for-brains?

                      How many things other than temperature dramatically affect tree ring growth shit-for-brains?

                      List as many of them as you can can shit-for-brains, our expectations of shit-heads are not all that high so don’t worry abut how badly you will perform.

                      NO shit-for-brains, carbon dating cannot be used to identify one year’s muck from the next years muck. Equally, if a hole in the Antarctic ice can be used as a “proxy” for the world’s “average temperature for the year 1880 to an accuracy of 0.1 degrees F why not stick a thermometer at the same location and consult if tor today’s “average” temperature shit-for-brains?

                      Tell us why this wont be just as accurate shit-for-brains?

                    • Liar.. Liar… Pants on fire..

                      “The temperatures of Lake Victoria can also be determined by “scientists” consulting an ouija board shit-for-brains.” – sirgareth

                      Sorry Moron, but that isn’t how science works, no matter how often you want to lie about it. Not only would no scientist use such a method, but the results would not pass peer review, which is, as everyone who isn’t mentally ill knows, is a process by which a researcher’s peers evaluate their research to ensure completeness and correctness in method, observations and conclusions.

                      It isn’t surprising that you – someone who thinks that “averages are Marxism”, would hold such kookie opinions of how science works.

                      LOL!

                    • Yes shit for brains I took a dump in a public outhouse 10 years ago let your scientists determine what I had for dinner the previous day

                      I think Trump is going to commission scientific studies determining how gullible U global warming shit for brains groupies Are.

                    • Mother-of-pearl or nacre (pronounced nay-ker), the lustrous, tough-as-nails biomineral that lines some seashells, has been shown to be a faithful record of ancient ocean temperature.
                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9cf3b0569b92c6e7fcc699c3b5a3625269c7b90743cc45c0187b1b4e7a3d3994.jpg
                      Writing online Thursday, Dec. 15, in the journal Earth and Planetary Science Letters, a team led by University of Wisconsin-Madison physics Professor Pupa Gilbert describes studies of the physical attributes of nacre in modern and fossil shells showing that the biomineral provides an accurate record of temperature as the material is formed, layer upon layer, in a mollusk.

                      “We can very accurately correlate nacre tablet thickness with temperature,” says Gilbert, explaining that mother-of-pearl is formed as mollusks lay down microscopic polygonal tablets of the mineral aragonite like brickwork to build layers of the shiny biomineral.
                      The work is important because it provides scientists with a new and potentially more accurate method of measuring ancient ocean temperatures, improving on methods now used with other biominerals to tease out the record of the environmental conditions at which the materials formed in the distant past.

                      “Everyone else measures temperatures in the ancient world using chemical proxies,” says Gilbert, referencing methods that, for example, use ratios of isotopic oxygen locked into tiny fossil shells made by marine microorganisms known as Foraminifera to get a snapshot of ocean temperatures in the distant past.

                      The method devised by Gilbert and her collaborators is extraordinarily simple: using just a scanning electron microscope and a cross section of shell, it is possible to measure the thickness of the layered microscopic tablets that compose nacre in a shell. The thickness of the tablets, explains Gilbert, correlates with ocean temperature as measured in modern shells when ocean temperatures were known at the time the shells were formed.

                      The new work by the researchers from Wisconsin, Harvard, and the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory provides a novel physical approach to measuring past climate, says Gilbert, an expert in biomineral formation.

                      “If what you are measuring is a physical structure, you see it directly,” says Gilbert. “You just measure nacre tablet thickness, the spacing of the lines, and it corresponds to temperature. When the temperature is warmer, the layers get thicker.”

                      The following graph shows how global humidity levels are increasing as the planet warms.

                    • RE: Mother-of-pearl or nacre (pronounced nay-ker), the lustrous, tough-as-nails biomineral that lines some seashells, has been shown to be a faithful record of ancient ocean temperature”

                      I read the first sentence and dismissed the rest as the verbal flatulence of someone whose skull is filled with shit-for-brains.

                      The verb “shown” is impossible since no one has observed or experienced ancient climate or weather.

                      If the term were changed to “conjectured” or, better yet, “fantasized” I might have read the sentence following it.

                    • Of course you did. Your purpose in life is to remain wilfully ignorant. That is what Denialism is all about.

                      “I read the first sentence and dismissed the rest as the verbal flatulence of someone whose skull is filled with shit-for-brains.” – sirgareth

                      “I read the first sentence and dismissed the rest as the verbal flatulence of someone whose skull is filled with shit-for-brains.” – sirgareth

                      The correlation between Mother of pearl deposits and ocean temperature at the time of the deposit is calibrated with modern temperature records. The measurement of Mother of Pearl deposits from thousands or even millions of years ago can use that correlation to produce an accurate measure of the temperature during the time of their deposition.

                      Only the willfully ignorant like you claim not to understand it.

                      LOL!

                    • LOL??? what is that thing you keep typing shit-for-brains, is it infantile?

                      RE: “Your purpose in life is to remain wilfully ignorant. That is what Denialism is all about.”

                      Bingo, you have revealed a truth that you are too dense to perceive. Indeed I revel in my ignorance of your world. I live in a different world as is my most fervent desire to do so.

                      When you remind me of my ignorance of your world it means that I have achieved what I have most assiduously pursued. You cannot cure me me. You cannot reform me. I am in fact unmalleable.

                      Like the bristle cone pine many factors control the growth of any living thing. Calibration is what occurs in the present, the past cannot be “calibrated”

                      In your world the past can be “calibrated”, in my world such a proposition is considered lunacy.

                    • Of course you did. Your purpose in life is to remain wilfully ignorant. That is what Denialism is all about.

                      “I read the first sentence and dismissed the rest as the verbal flatulence of someone whose skull is filled with shit-for-brains.” – sirgareth

                      “I read the first sentence and dismissed the rest as the verbal flatulence of someone whose skull is filled with shit-for-brains.” – sirgareth

                      The correlation between Mother of pearl deposits and ocean temperature at the time of the deposit is calibrated with modern temperature records. The measurement of Mother of Pearl deposits from thousands or even millions of years ago can use that correlation to produce an accurate measure of the temperature during the time of their deposition.

                      Only the willfully ignorant like you claim not to understand it.

                      LOL!

                    • RE: “The correlation between Mother of pearl deposits and ocean temperature at the time of the deposit is calibrated with modern temperature records. The measurement of Mother of Pearl deposits from thousands or even millions of years ago can use that correlation to produce an accurate measure of the temperature during the time of their deposition.”

                      No shit-for-brains correlation is not causation and there are dozens of other variables outside of “temperature” that affect all living structures.

                      You haven’t even included the effects of evolution in your fairy tale shit-for-brains.

                    • “No shit-for-brains correlation is not causation” – sirgareth

                      LOL! Now you are confusing “Calibration” with “Correlation”.

                      The deposition of Mother of Pearl is calibrated against temperature, just like a thermometer is calibrated against temperature.

                      A correlation is then performed to measure the past temperature of the ocean at the time of deposition.

                      LOL! My goodness you are ignorant.

                      “there are dozens of other variables outside of “temperature” that affect all living structures.” – sirgareth

                      Show scientifically that any of them are relevant and then write a paper on the subject.
                      Submit it to Nature, and see if they print it or laugh their asses off at you.

                      LOL!

                    • “You haven’t even included the effects of evolution” – sirgareth

                      You will need to show that oysters and other shell fish that deposit mother of pearl, have evolved dramatically over the last few million years.

                      Again, you should write a scientific paper if you believe you can show this, and submit it to nature. Show scientifically that your objection is valid and then see if it will be printed or if they spend their time laughing at you.

                      Given that you can hardly add or subtract, and can’t figure out how graphs work, I don’t give you much chance of success.

                      LOL!

                    • “In your world the past can be “calibrated”” – sirgareth

                      In the real world natural “measurements” that were taken in the past can be calibrated to make them compatible with modern standard measures.

                      Even children can understand this.

                      You need to keep yourself ignorant of it by lying to yourself.

                    • RE: “Even children can understand this.”

                      Children (and the climate cultists) understand a lot of things adults don’t shit-for-brains:

                      1) The tooth fairy
                      2) Santa Claus
                      3) The Easter Bunny
                      4) Monsters in the closet
                      5) The goblins hiding under the bed
                      6) The CO2 killer.

                    • “Children (and the climate cultists) understand a lot of things adults don’t shit-for-brains:” – sirgarety

                      When children exceed the abilities of Adults like you, there is something wrong with adults like you.

                      When Adults like you refer to the graphing of scientific evidence as “squiggle lines”, and when Adults like you characterize numerical averages as “Marxist”, and when Adults like you claim that they are smarter than virtually all of the worlds scientists, as you have done….

                      … Then we know that Adults like you are not only retarded, but are also mentally ill.

                      LOL!

                    • “Right on que shit-for-brains up with the meaningless squiggly lines.” – sirgareth

                      LOL!

                      If you hadn’t dropped out of public school before grade 5, you would have learned that those “squiggly lines” are actually graphs of measurements.

                      You are spectacularly ignorant.

                    • Here is a “math” problem for you shit-for-brains.

                      Take the time interval between the last positive oscillation peaks of the atlantic multidecadal cycle: (that’s 1950 to 2000 shit-for-brains) or 50 years assuming the math is over your head.

                      Now impose that 50 year interval on the start of your stupid meaningless squiggly line and tell me where what year the interval ends shit-for-brains.

                      Assuming this is also beyond your math skills Ill do the math for you shit-for-brains. the year is 2030 shit-for-brains.

                      Do you know what one of your many problems is shit-for-brains?

                      You are making the false assumption the the climate hoax can stand scrutiny when it clearly cannot shit-for-brains.

                      The scammers already know this shit-for-brains, that’s why they will never allow their shit to be challenged shit-for-brains. You see its already “settled” shit-for-brains.

                    • The last oscillation peak was 1935, not 1950. The current oscillation “peak” is unknown, since the AMO has not fallen enought to claim that it has peaked.

                      “Take the time interval between the last positive oscillation peaks of the atlantic multidecadal cycle: (that’s 1950 to 2000 shit-for-brains) or 50 years assuming the math is over your head.” – sirgareth

                      You should really learn what words mean, and learn how to read a graph.

                      Have an 8 year old explain to you how it is done. LOL!

                    • (that’s 1950 to 2000 shit-for-brains) – sirgareth

                      LOL! The previous peak was 1935, and the AMO may… may have peaked in 2010.

                      That is 75 years. Not 50 as you claim… LOL!

                      “Now impose that 50 year interval on the start of your stupid meaningless squiggly line” – sirgareth

                      There is no mathematical or graphical operation called imposing. One can not impose 50 years on a graph, especially when the time interval is 75 years, not 50.

                      LOL! You never should have dropped out of public school before grade 5, sirgareth.

                    • “Assuming this is also beyond your math skills, I’ll do the math for you shit-for-brains. the year is 2030 shit-for-brains.” – sirgareth

                      The AMO period you cite starts in 1950 (your claim), and really 1935. The northern ice decline I show starts at 1980. you then add the difference between 2000 and 1950 to 1980 to produce a meaningless number.

                      LOL! Again, you should ask an 8 year old how to do sensible arithmetic.

                      You are spectacularly ignorant.

                    • “You are making the false assumption the the climate hoax can stand scrutiny when it clearly cannot shit-for-brains.” – sirgareth

                      LOL! And your addition of some random interval taken from 1950 to 2000 to the year 1980 is evidence, in your tiny,. mentally ill mind of something.

                      LOL. Evidence that averaging is Marxism probably.

                      Hahahahahahahahah… You are spectacularly ignorant.

                    • “The scammers already know this shit-for-brains” – sirgareth

                      These would be the scammers who are directing those marxist moon beams at your skull?

                      Quick add some random number to the year 2013 and whine that doing so proves that you aren’t mentally ill.

                      LOL!

                    • “Remember when all that “global warming” heat was going to melt the snow and close all the ski resorts shit-for-brains?” – sirgareth

                      That is already guaranteed.

                    • LOL? You keep repeating “LOL,” but what does it mean shit-for-brains?

                      That you are: “Low On Lucidity?” or maybe just a “Level One Lunatic?”

                      No shit for brains, it’s not just the mid atlantic oceanic temperatures are affected by multidecadal oceanic cycles, ALL of them are shit-for-brains.

                      This fraudulent scam sends people around the world looking any drift that supports their insane theories and claims…aha…the mother lode of “global warming” shit-for-brains.

                      Of course anyone possessing more than shit-for-brains (unfortunately this excludes you shit-for-brains) might question why the Antarctic isn’t similarly “afflicted” let’s give it another 100 years and maybe their cycles will reverse shit-for-brains and we can have another aha moment shit-for-brains

                    • “That you are: “Low On Lucidity?” – sirgareth

                      Still Laughing at Morons like you.

                      Have you managed to figure out how to take an average yet? LOL!

                    • “No shit for brains, it’s not just the mid atlantic oceanic temperatures are affected by multidecadal oceanic cycles, ALL of them are shit-for-brains.” – sirgareth

                      Are you trying to say that Atlantic Ocean temperatures are set by the PDO and the Pacific ocean temperature by the AMO? Hahahahahahahah…

                      I was once told by a brain dead denialist, that the earth is warming because the earth is in it’s summer period.

                      Hahahahahahahah. Was that moron you?

                      Have you noticed that the Temperatures at the North Poll are now just a degree or so below freezing? Mighty unusual 10 days from the coldest day of the year there.

                      Here is a temperature map from yesterday.

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/18c175f795ec19e7b138ef2d509d1e1ec80f515f362c5d63f741289d16b215e4.png

                      LOL!

                    • “Of course anyone possessing more than shit-for-brains (unfortunately this excludes you shit-for-brains) might question why the Antarctic isn’t similarly “afflicted” ” – sirgareth

                      The models show that because there is a continent rather than an ocean at the south poll, there will at first be a strengthening of the southern polar vortex that will keep the air over the south poll, over the south poll, and limit mixing with surrounding air.

                      Thus there will be a minor cooling effect initially. But eventually – a few decades after the north polar vortex begins to destabilize, – which we are now seeing – the southern polar vortex will follow the same path and temperatures over the Antarctic will begin to warm as well.

                      This graphic shows the loss of Antarctic ice mass over time.

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/375f253103546df7398c25efdc278bcab91d2f515d67bb592ff4860f478d319e.jpg

                    • “let’s give it another 100 years and maybe their cycles will reverse” – sirgareth

                      Since the warming is a result of enhanced levels of atmospheric CO2 and since CO2 levels are doing this….

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3056b116cb472f7579c50fbae0370c467a42b1517267047e53e647f7d0e638dc.gif

                      There is zero probability that any cycle is responsible for the observed warming.

                      But it is good to see you admit – contrary to your earlier denialism – that the globe is actually warming.

                      You just can’t keep your lying consistent.

                      LOL!

                    • ‘Here are a few things that drive all tree growth other than temperature shit-for-brains” – sirgareth

                      Lightning alters the speed of tree growth??

                      Hahahahahahahah…

                      Wind alters the speed of tree growth??

                      Hahahahahahah..

                      Squirrels alter the rate of tree growth??

                      Hahahahahahahha….

                      Some of the other factors you mention are legitimate.

                      However, all more or less average out over time and over a region. Some not so, which is why tree rings are only a small component of the many factors that are considered when doing dendrochronology.

                      You are spectacularly ignorant.

                    • Here you are again shit-for-brains, literally screaming “I live in a public housing complex in detroit” and have seen pictures of trees in National Geographic, so I’m an expert.

                      RE: “Lightning alters the speed of tree growth?? Hahahahahahahah..”.

                      I live on a rather large estate among forested and planted trees…several hundreds of them on my property. At least every year one of them is struck by lightning and they either die the following year or limp along stunted for their remaining life on Earth shit-for-brains.

                      RE: “Wind alters the speed of tree growth?? Hahahahahahah..”

                      Wind takes dozens of large tree branches down on my property each year, I have to clean them up. These branches support the foliage that support tree growth shit-for brains. Do you ever get out of your government housing project shit-for-brains?

                      RE: Squirrels alter the rate of tree growth?? Hahahahahahahha….

                      Did I specify squirrels shot-for-brains They are clever little bastards but they don’t damage trees shit-for-brains, however deer do you vomitous bag of shit-for-brains

                      The hundreds of deer that feed on the bark of my trees don’t usually kill the trees as long as they don’t completely strip the full circumference of the tree. In any case they damage trees and stunt further growth shit-for-brains. The squirrels are fine shit-for-brains. At any rate since I kill three of four deer as they do each year with my compound bow, I don’t really mind…I have lots of trees. Have you ever had venison stew shit-for-brains? No, I’d guess not they don’t serve it on your soup line do they shit-for-brains

                      I have never met someone as stupid as you, its not simple ignorance shit-for-brains. That is curable. You have the imagination of a mushroom shit-for-brains.

                    • “I live in a public housing complex in detroit” – Sirgareth

                      Of course you do. You are unemployed too because people like you who are fantastically ignorant and mentally ill are unemployable.

                      LOL!

                      “At least every year one of them is struck by lightning and they either die the following year or limp along stunted for their remaining life on Earth shit-for-brains.” – sirgareth

                      LOL. So your claim now is that a lightning strike can alter the growth rate of a tree LOL, not a forest, which was your initial claim. Hahahahahahahahahahha…

                      My god you are stupid.

                    • “Wind takes dozens of large tree branches down on my property each year” – sirgareth

                      LOL! So forests grow slowly due to wind because your trees lose the occasional branch.

                      Hahahahahahahahahah…… Stuuuuuuuuupiiiiiiiiddddddddddd.

                    • RE: “LOL! So forests grow slowly due to wind because your trees lose the occasional branch.”

                      No shit-for-brains, my tree wind damage affects only trees shit-for-brains. I realize that logic is not something you have ever encountered shit-for-brains so Ill send more pictures for you shit-for-brains

                      Wind does this to forests shit-for-brains

                      http://us.123rf.com/450wm/grigory_bruev/grigory_bruev1405/grigory_bruev140500138/28684572-windfall-in-forest-storm-damage-fallen-trees-in-coniferous-forest-after-strong-hurricane-wind-in-rus.jpg

                      https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDVm6kexu1WHO1L_dxOv_fN2dPlzB18a3OKJkOaQFismhwZsuC

                    • Hay MORON. That isn’t a forest. It is a couple of rows of trees. Probably a row that runs along a property line.

                      The fact is, the wind strength in a real forest, is close to zero due to the fact that the trees – particularly conifer’s produce so much wind resistance.

                      It is only trees on the periphery of a forested area that suffer any effects from surface winds.

                      LOL! You are, as always… A MOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRROOOOOOOONNNNN

                      Hahahahahahahah….

                    • “Did I specify squirrels shot-for-brains” – sirgareth

                      You might as well have, mental illness boy.

                    • “The hundreds of deer that feed on the bark of my trees don’t usually kill the trees as long as they don’t completely strip the full circumference of the tree.” – sirgareth

                      So forests grow slower because deer eat the bark off your trees.

                      Hahahahahahahah… Tell us more Mental Illness boy.

                    • RE: “So forests grow slower because deer eat the bark off your trees.”

                      No shit-for-brains, only my trees grow slower due to the animal predation on my estate.

                      Wider forests tree growth is affected by wider animal predation in those forests shit-for-brains. Deer live in the forests shit-for-brains

                      Climatologists don’t debate anyone shit-for-brains because when they do they know they will look as stupid as you do when you try to shit-for-brains. The difference is they appear to know at least this much while you appear to be unaware of literally everything shit-for-brains.

                      http://homeguides.sfgate.com/treat-tree-bark-torn-off-trunk-48899.html

                    • “No shit-for-brains, only my trees grow slower due to the animal predation on my estate.” – sigareth

                      LOL! So you are cherry picking a few trees on your property and claiming that they represent the growth of forests as a whole.

                      Hahahahahahahah….. If we were to apply your own logic to you, we would conclude that All Republicans are congenital liars simply because you are a congenital liar.

                      Hahahahahahahah…

                      The fact is, all Republicans are congenital liars because all Republicans are observed to be Congenital liars.

                      You are just one example of Republican Mental illness.

                      LOL

                      Have you noticed that the polar ice caps are melting?

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/01eb2730766f043fd59bacddb22b897018c00fd556cbb7af203b12132f62caf7.png

                    • “Climatologists don’t debate anyone shit-for-brains because when they do they know they will look as stupid” – sirgareth

                      Climatologists don’t debate uneducated dropouts from public school – people like you – because you are too stupid to take part in a debate.

                      Tell us again how taking an average of some numbers is Marxism?

                      Hahahahahahahahahah….

                      Stuuuuuuuuuuupid…

                      This is interesting…

                      It’s not normal, and it’s happening again.

                      For the second year in a row in late December and for the second time in as many months, temperatures in the high Arctic will be freakishly high compared to normal.

                      Computer models project that on Thursday, three days before Christmas, the temperature near the North Pole will be an astronomical 40-50 degrees warmer-than-normal and approaching 32 degrees, the melting point.

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e5ced1fd7e127f35526a51926fcf10b2a28ef308b897eac544273e64af185be0.png

                    • “I have never met someone as stupid as you,” – sirgareth

                      LOL! And as you said earlier, all scientists are wrong and you – a public school dropout who can barely add and subtract, and who calls graphs “Squigglie lines”, and who adds random numbers to dates to prove things that go unstated, and who considers averaging a form of Marxism, is brighter than all of the scientific experts in the world.

                      Hahahahahahahahah……………..

                      Hahahahahahahahahah…………………

                      Tell us more Mental Illness boy.

                    • “How is the expertise of phrenologists demonstrated shit-for-brains?” – sirgareth

                      Phrenology was something that uneducated morons like you claimed to be experts in. LOL!

                      There was no scientific basis for phrenology, and that is why quacks like you embraced it.

                      LOL!

                      Pre-Christmas melt? North Pole forecast to warm 50 degrees above normal Thursday

                      It’s not normal, and it’s happening again.

                      For the second year in a row in late December and for the second time in as many months, temperatures in the high Arctic will be freakishly high compared to normal.

                      Computer models project that on Thursday, three days before Christmas, the temperature near the North Pole will be an astronomical 40-50 degrees warmer-than-normal and approaching 32 degrees, the melting point.

                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/12/20/forecast-north-pole-to-warm-50-degrees-above-normal-thursday-near-melting-point/?utm_term=.4f7380b4f60e

                    • “Unverifiable models used to reconstruct precise temperature data from the past is how Lord Kelvin achieved his “peer reviewed” age of the sun at no more than 30 million years.shit-for-brains.” – sirgareth

                      And he was wrong. The geologists – also scientists – were right, and their research has stood the test of time.

                      Your observations however don’t even pass first inspection.

                      LOL!

                    • “NO shit-for-brains, carbon dating cannot be used to identify one year’s muck from the next years muck. ” – sirgareth

                      So? We don’t need yearly temperatures to know the average temperature of a region averaged over periods of decades.

                      LOL!

                      You don’t seem to understand how those “marxist averages” work. You should ask your psychiatrist to explain it to you.

                      LOL!

                    • “Equally, if a hole in the Antarctic ice can be used as a “proxy” for the world’s “average temperature for the year 1880 to an accuracy of 0.1 degrees” – sirgareth

                      It can’t and no one claims it can.

                      Why do you feel a need to lie about it? Does your mental illness compel you to tell a non stop stream of lies?

                      LOL!

                    • This sirgareth character celebrates his ignorance like he thinks there is a prize for being the most ignorant person in the world. 🙂

                    • “By the way any proper measurement of average heat content is measured in joules, not degrees.” – Sirgareth

                      Temperature isn’t a measure of heat content, moron. It is a measure of how heat content changes relative to entropy.

                      You are, of course, a moron.

                    • Hey shit-for brains, you just stumbled on another truth but you are too stupid to understand you are arguing against yourself.

                      The bullshit theory says CO2 is trapping too much “heat” not too, much “temperature.”

                      This is another reason climatology is a fake science like alchemy and phrenology. They don’t even record the proper data to make their phony case. Degrees F, C, or K do not measure “heat.” You need BTU’s, Calories, or Joules to do that shit-for-brains

                    • “The bullshit theory says CO2 is trapping too much “heat” not too, much “temperature.”” – sirgareth

                      Correct. And you find this confusing.. LOL!

                      “alchemy – Degrees F, C, or K do not measure “heat.”” – sirgareth

                      Can you tell me one area of science where temperature as measured in ‘K is not used?

                      Certainly it is used in Chemistry, Physics and Astrophysics.

                      What is the name of the fantasy planet you think you come from?’

                      LOL! You are, as always, a MORON……….

                    • RE: “Can you tell me one area of science where temperature as measured in ‘K is not used?”

                      Certainly shit-for-brains, that is, if you are ignorant enough to call “climatology” science.

                    • Liar… Liar. Pants on fire…

                      Climate sensitivity describes how sensitive the global climate is to a change in the amount of energy reaching the Earth’s surface and lower atmosphere (a.k.a. a radiative forcing). For example, we know that if the amount of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the Earth’s atmosphere doubles from the pre-industrial level of 280 parts per million by volume (ppmv) to 560 ppmv, this will cause an energy imbalance by trapping more outgoing thermal radiation in the atmosphere, enough to directly warm the surface approximately 1.2°C. However, this doesn’t account for feedbacks, for example ice melting and making the planet less reflective, and the warmer atmosphere holding more water vapor (another greenhouse gas).

                      Climate sensitivity is the amount the planet will warm when accounting for the various feedbacks affecting the global climate. The relevant formula is:

                      dT = λ*dF

                      Where ‘dT’ is the change in the Earth’s average surface temperature, ‘λ’ is the climate sensitivity, usually with units in Kelvin or degrees Celsius per Watts per square meter (°C/[W m-2]), and ‘dF’ is the radiative forcing, which is discussed in further detail in the Advanced rebuttal to the ‘CO2 effect is weak’ argument.

                      https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=258

                      Climate Analysis

                      Over the past 35 years, the troposphere has warmed significantly. The global average temperature has risen at an average rate of about 0.13 degrees Kelvin per decade (0.23 degrees F per decade).

                      http://www.remss.com/research/climate

                      Solar Radiation and the Earth’s Energy Balance.

                      Radiation transfer from Sun to Earth.

                      Properties of Solar radiation: The Sun is located at the center of our Solar System, at a distance of about 150 x 106 kilometers from Earth. With a surface temperature of 5780 K (degrees Kelvin = degrees C + 273.15), the energy flux at the surface of the Sun is approximately 63 x 106 W/m2 (Do you know what law of radiative transfer do we use to calculate this number? Check the link to radiative heat transfer.) This radiative flux maximizes at a wavelength of about 0.5 μm

                      http://eesc.columbia.edu/courses/ees/climate/lectures/radiation/

                    • RE: “For example, we know that if the amount of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the Earth’s atmosphere doubles from the pre-industrial level of 280 parts per million by volume (ppmv) to 560 ppmv, this will cause an energy imbalance by trapping more outgoing thermal radiation in the atmosphere, enough to directly warm the surface approximately 1.2°C”

                      You and the frog in your pocket may “know this” shit-for-brains, but no one else does. As Lord Kelvin should have pointed out to you, peer approved models of Earth are only arrogant brain flatulence emerging from the shit inside.

                      There are no energy “imbalances” in nature shit-for-brains. Nature’s balances are always true to the femtogram and femtojoule. It is the mush inside the heads of the shit-for-brains like yourself that is quite obviously “unbalanced.”

                      As reality is quite a bit more complex than a few thousand lines of Fortran code, both Kelvins thermal models of Earth and any of the hundreds of current similar model are as useless as his.

                      This is what “we know” shit-for-brains.

                      They are all 100% wrong, all of them. Not one represents nature, not even close.

                    • “For example, we know that if the amount of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the Earth’s atmosphere doubles from the pre-industrial level of 280 parts per million by volume (ppmv) to 560 ppmv, this will cause an energy imbalance by trapping more outgoing thermal radiation in the atmosphere, enough to directly warm the surface approximately 1.2°C” – Sirgareth

                      Correct. That is the direct heating by CO2 and does not include feedbacks like the increase in water vapor, lowered planetary albedo, etc…

                      “You and the frog in your pocket may “know this” shit-for-brains, but no one else does.” – Sirgareth

                      I’m not really concerned what the mentally ill (you), think you know or don’t know.

                      Your purpose here is to provide an example of scientific ignorance and to be laughed at.

                      LOL!

                    • ‘There are no energy “imbalances” in nature shit-for-brains.” – Sirgareth

                      That could only be true if energy were uniformly distributed through the entire universe.

                      You might notice that the sun is hotter than the surface of the earth, and if you were aware enough to notice that you would know that your assertion of “no energy imbalances”, is laughable nonsense.

                      “reality is quite a bit more complex than a few thousand lines of Fortran code” – Sirgareth

                      True. But a few lines of fortran code is enough to model the quantum mechanics of the electrons flowing through the computer you are using. A few hundred lines of code are enough to navigate a space craft travelling to the moon.

                      And of course, a single line of algebra is sufficient to determine the properties of harmonic oscillators.

                      LOL!

                    • “Which squiggly line is the “average” temperature of the Earth?” – sirgareth

                      LOL. The Global temperatures that are of concern are Global surface temperatures of course. This is because we live on the surface of the Earth, and not suspended 5 miles in the air.

                      You will find that as you go even higher in the atmosphere, the temperature trend actually goes negative. The stratosphere is cooling.

                      LOL. This is a verified prediction of the Global atmosphere models as well as back of the envelope calculations, and is a result of lower amounts of IR making it to the stratosphere and the reduced density of the stratosphere as the lower atmosphere warms and expands.

                      My goodness you are a stupid mental patient,

                      LOL!

                    • RE: “This is because we live on the surface of the Earth, and not suspended 5 miles in the air.”

                      No shit for brains, we haven’t lived on the surface of the Earth for about a million years. We build shelters and heat them and now recently cool them with fire.

                      The oceans form the heat memory of the Earth shit-for-brains. Unlike the air it’s both thermally dense and fluid, not unlike like the diarrhea shit in your head.

                    • “No shit for brains, we haven’t lived on the surface of the Earth for about a million years.” – sirgareth

                      Well it is clear that you think you are living on the surface of planet ConservaTard.

                      LOL!

                      People who aren’t mentally ill, know we are living on the surface of the Earth.

                      Hahahahahahah…. My goodness you should see a psychiatrist.

                    • “The oceans form the heat memory of the Earth shit-for-brains. ” – Sirgareth

                      Spoken like a true child.

                      You mean that the oceans lag changes in atmospheric temperature.

                      Of course they do. The oceans hold vastly more energy than the atmosphere, and take longer to heat up or cool down.

                      And that’s why the oceans can’t be warming the atmosphere.

                      Hahahahahahahahahahah…. You aren’t even aware enough to realize the implications of your own statements.

                      Hahahahahahahahahah…. My God you are stupid.

                    • No shit-for-brains, neither nature nor nature’s god scribbles graphs filled with fictions like “monthly global mean surface temperature” They don’t appoint spokesmen for their “cause” either shit-for-brains.

                    • “fictions like “monthly global mean surface temperature” – sirgareth

                      Tell us again how averages are Marxism.. Hohohohohohohohoho….LOL!

                      You are mentally ill Boy. Get help.

                    • RE “Can you tell me one area of science where temperature as measured in ‘K is not used?”

                      I can refer to one area that you are stupid enough to call “science” where K is not used shit-for-brains it called “climatology”

                    • “Next what are the appropriate spacial and temporal sampling sizes and areas and the error bars associated with each. Be specific and show your math.” – SirGareth

                      I need not explain the methods to you when they are available to you here.

                      http://berkeleyearth.org/analysis-code/

                      The source code is downloadable.
                      The error calculations are included.

                      Get back to us when you learn how to add and subtract.

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d417f7a8a927588352665368fd10fa78f661e9f01deccaf33c4b57a8dd7676fa.png

                    • What a complete imbecile, computers and their programs are the antithesis of science shit for brains.

                      “There is a computer disease that anybody who works with computers knows about. It’s a very serious disease and it interferes completely with the work. The trouble with computers is that you ‘play’ with them!”

                      Richard Feynman – Nobel Physics Laureate

                      see lots of play drawings above.

                      RE: “I need not explain the methods to you when they are available to you here.”

                      Translation: I cant tell you so I’ll provide a bullshit link instead.

                    • “computers and their programs are the antithesis of science shit for brains.” – sirgareth

                      Computers have been an integral part of science since computers were invented.

                      Without computers, the computer you are now using wouldn’t have been possible to construct.

                      Computers allow the solution of problems that are impossible to solve with individual equations.

                      Computer programs are to physics what calculus is to algebra.

                      The ignorant often think that there is an equation that allows the prediction of any aspect of any system.

                      That is false.

                      It is a very rare situation where any single equation embodies the solution to a physical problem.

                      Even simple physical systems like pendula have no exact solutions. The exact solutions that exist are based on the assumption of a restoring force that is proportional to pendula displacement. But this is only an approximation to the real world situation.

                      Similarly it is presumed that spring displacement observes the hook equation. But i fact, hook is only an approximation. There is no exact solution.

                      Similarly there is no exact solution to orbital mechanics. In fact no generalized solution exists for orbital mechanics with more than 2 bodies. And none exist for 2 bodies in General Relativity.

                      The only way the positions of the planets can be found aeon’s in the future is to actually run a computer model of the solar system.

                      Once again you prove yourself to be spectacularly ignorant.

                    • RE: “Computers have been an integral part of science since computers were invented.”

                      So have pens and pencils shit-for-brains, what do the pencil models say?

                      RE: “The only way the positions of the planets can be found aeon’s in the future is to actually run a computer model of the solar system.”

                      What did Kepler use, an Mac or a PC?

                    • The first climate model used a pencil, and was computed by Lord Kelvin in the mid 1800’s.

                      His simplistic model calculations showed a climate sensitivity of about 3’C, which is pretty much what the current computer models show.

                      LOL! You poor, ignorant, fool.

                    • There you go shit-for-brains, a trillion buck wasted on computer games that Lord Kelvin got the same wrong answer to and he did it for free with a pen or pencil.

                      I suppose you are too f*cking ignorant to realize that Lord Kelvin did no such work shit-for- brains.

                      Here is one he did do shit-for-brains:

                      With his mathematical models, Kelvin rather pompously demonstrated that the earth must have been a hellish ball of molten rock only a few tens of millions of years ago, and that the sun could not have been shining for more than about 30 million years. Kelvin was actually modeling what he thought was global and solar cooling. A majority of his fellow physicists (97% ?) supported Kelvin.(peer reviewed?)

                    • Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

                      “There you go shit-for-brains, a trillion buck wasted on computer games that Lord Kelvin got the same wrong answer to and he did it for free with a pen or pencil.” – Sirgareth

                      A trillion bucks hasn’t been spent on global climate modeling. Not even close.

                      However 3 trillion Has been spent on George Bush’s war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and at least another trillion is scheduled to be spent on that.

                      In addition 5 trillion has been spent keeping AmeriKKKa out of the near depression that the Republican Party created during the Bush Administration’s time in office.

                      LOL!

                    • “I suppose you are too f*cking ignorant to realize that Lord Kelvin did no such CO2 model shit-for- brains.” – Sirgareth

                      He must have, since he accurately computed the climate sensitivity.

                      You are probably dismissive because you are ignorant as to what a model is.

                    • “With his mathematical models, Kelvin rather pompously demonstrated that the earth must have been a hellish ball of molten rock only a few tens of millions of years ago, and that the sun could not have been shining for more than about 30 million years.” – sirgareth

                      So what?

                      What point do you think you have made? LOL!

                      Turns out that on this issue Kelvin was wrong and the Geologists were right.

                      You do know that Science is a self correcting, and ever improving model of the universe.

                      Na.. You would never know that. You is dumb like a chicken. LOL!

                    • “The “Doctrine of Uniformity” in Geology” – sirgareth

                      LOL.. You did a google search and skimmed the first article on Lord Kelvin that you found.

                      The fact that it has zero to do with Climatology doesn’t appear to make it into that minute, diseased brain of yours.

                      LOL!

                    • “Translation: I cant tell you so I’ll provide a bullshit link instead.” – sigareth

                      Translation, you are too lazy and stupid to attempt to understand the article linked to.

                      Mooooooooooooooooroooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnn

                  • Pure ignorance.

                    “How would you define it ?” – SirGarrath

                    The average speed of an object is defined as the distance traveled divided by the time elapsed. Velocity is a vector quantity, and average velocity can be defined as the displacement divided by the time.

                    The average speed of a group of objects is the speed of each object averaged. I.E. total speed / total number of objects.

                    Poor, ignorant, SirGarrath.

                    • What is the “average” thermal energy of all the earths molecules, this should be dead easy for any climatologist worth more than a used piece of asswipe.

                      How many “objects” need to be sampled, if less than 100% what are the sampling error bars – show your math genius.

                    • LOL!

                      “What is the “average” thermal energy of all the earths molecules” – Sirgareth

                      First, average temperature != Average energy.

                      Second what defect do you have in your tiny little brain to think that we must know any property of every molecule composing the atmosphere to know the average temperature?

                      LOL! Are you really that stupid?

                      Note the extreme spike in atmospheric CO2 levels.

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                    • What percentage of them is the right number shit-for-brains?

                      How often should this percentage be sampled shit-for-brains?

                      Once a second? Once a minute? an hour? a day? a week? a month? a year? a decade? a century? a millennium?

                      What does “science” say about this shit for brains?

                      Where should this average be taken? every cubic centimeter of the globe? every cubic meter? cubic kilometer?

                      If we cant do this, would it be OK to take all of our averages at the Albany New York airport instead?

                      Why not, shit-for-brains?

                      If the whole friggin planet is getting too hot, then Albany must be getting too hot too.

                      Or doesn’t the globe include Albany?

                    • “How often should this percentage be sampled shit-for-brains?” – Sirgareth

                      LOL! Now you are confusing an average with a temporal measure. No where in the definition of mean is time mentioned, because time is not a component of a mean.

                      A mean is defined as the total sun of n quantities divided by n.

                      The mean of a surface (s) field (q) is defined as the integral over the surface of (q x ds).

                      There ain’t no time in those equations, child.

                      LOL! How do the spectacularly ignorant manage to feed yourselves?

                      Do you eat from dumpsters?

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                    • You better check with the climate grifters shit-for-brains, that’s now how they work the scam

                      Isn’t “average annual global temperature” both a temporal and spacial average shit-for-brains?

                      One can average temporal intervals and one can average spacial intervals but one cannot average two separate variables simultaneously. How would you go about averaging the height-weight of any class ignorant enough to let you stand before them shit-for-brains?

                    • “What does “science” say about this shit for brains?” – Sigareth

                      Science says nothing about your delusions and your idiocy because they are delusions and idiocy.

                      LOL. Haven’t I been making that abundantly clear to you?

                      Hahahahahahahah… Clueless you are. Completely clueless….

                    • “Where should this average be taken? every cubic centimeter of the globe? every cubic meter? cubic kilometer?” – clueless Sirgareth

                      Hahahahahahahahah… Oh my God you are stupid.

                      Where an average applies is defined by the region over which the average is taken.

                      By definition.

                      Fuck you are stupid. You can’t even figure out something as simple as an average – something that all children in grade 5 are taught.

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/567bf5e91654093ba5a79f4f4c34071769a717b386d503667e03d4a4d9e51c9b.jpg

                      You are literally dumber than an average 10 year old who has passed grade 5 math.

                      Hahahahahahahahahahha….

                    • “Where should this average be taken? every cubic centimeter, cubic meter? cubic kilometer?” – SirGareth

                      Ahahahahahahah… Now you are confusing “where” – which is a place holder for position, with a spacing “every cubic centimeter”.

                      You are such an ignorant, ignorant,…. ignorant, moron.

                    • “If we cant do this, would it be OK to take all of our averages at the Albany New York airport instead?” – SirGareth

                      If your goal is to measure the average temperature of Albany NY, then of course.

                      LOL! You really should flag down a passing 5 year old and have them explain to you how averages work.

                      You are spectacularly stupid and their intellect is superior to yours.

                    • RE: “You really should flag down a passing 5 year old and have them explain to you how averages work.”

                      I certainly wouldn’t flag you down shit-for-brains, you just demonstrated you can’t work the problem.

                    • “What is the “average” thermal energy of all the earths molecules” – sirgareth

                      Hahahahahahahah…. Energy doesn’t define temperature, you pathetic fool.

                      In fact I can keep the energy content of a system static and still raise and lower the temperature of the system.

                      You are the poster child for stupid.

                      LOL! How do you manage to feed yourself?

                    • Too funny shit-for brains, here you are underlining exactly what I said but you are too dim-witted to notice.

                      RE: “In fact I can keep the energy content of a system static and still raise and lower the temperature of the system.”

                      Exactly, shit-for-brains, you have just destroyed the climate cult’s fake science. If the temperature can go up and down while the heat remains constant what does that say for “temperature records” as a proxy for “heat” trapping gases?

                      PS shit-for-brains I was the one who brought up the concept that heat and temperature are not the same. Yes I’m aware that the specific heat of air varies immensely with humidity, and pressure. Tell it to the stupid f*cks who are collecting 150 year old temperature readings taken in some farmer’s back yard at breakfast time (daily lows) and lunch time (daily highs) and “averaging” the two readings. Wow great “science” shit-for-brains.

                      Poor pathetic shit-for-brains.

                    • “Exactly, shit-for-brains, you have just destroyed the climate cult’s fake science. If the temperature can go up and down while the heat remains constant what does that say for “temperature records” as a proxy for “heat” trapping gases?” – Sigareth

                      LOL! It means Fool, that you are going to have to find some way to alter the entropy of the earth’s surface without altering the energy content, without altering the chemical composition of the surface, or anything else that would have been readily observed by now,

                      Maybe you could do it by dumping several thousand gigatonnes of sodium hydroxide or sodium acetate into the ocean to heat it up. You could call upon God to change the Boltzmann constant.

                      Or maybe those space aliens that keep probing your rectum in search of your brain are doing it.

                      LOL!

                    • “PS shit-for-brains I was the one who reminded you of the obvious fact that heat and temperature are not the same.” – Sirgareth

                      Ya, after I told you. Hahahahahhahahahahah.. You are such an ignorant, ignorant Child.

                    • “Tell it to the stupid f*cks who are collecting 150 year old temperature readings taken in some farmer’s back yard at breakfast time (daily lows) and lunch time (daily highs) and “averaging” the two readings.” – Sirgareth

                      You have a vivid imagination, child.

                      LOL!

                    • A cup of tea has a temperate gradient fool, the molecules with the least heat content migrate towards the bottom, there are convective, conductive and radiative losses to consider. Is the cup sitting on a hot plate or a cold plate? What type of material is it sitting on, how much surface area is in contact? What about heat loss by evaporation? What is the temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure and wind speed of the air above it? What is the shape of the tea cup? What material is it made of, copper? Styrofoam?

                      Is the tea cup being stirred? Mow many molecules of infused tea substance, is in it darjeeling or earl grey, etc? Has sugar been added? cream? how much and in what percentages. When did you take its measure?

                      You have not begun to analyse your tea cup.

                      What a frigging fool, and just what type of science fiction did you do?

                    • “A cup of tea has a temperature gradient fool,” – Sirgareth

                      Everything does. Are you trying to say that this means that nothing has a temperature?

                      You are. LOL!

                      So what are thermometers for? Are they some kind of global conspiracy in your microscopic little mind?

                      Do you intend to remain a moron for the rest of your life?

                    • “the molecules with the least heat content migrate towards the bottom” – Sirgareth

                      You are confusing heat content with energy. You don’t know the difference.

                      You poor, ignorant fool.

                    • Heat is energy shit-for-brains, you don’t know a joule from a jewel do you shit-for-brains

                      def: heat is ENERGY that spontaneously passes between a system and its surroundings in some way other than through work or the transfer of matter.

                    • “Heat is energy shit-for-brains.” – Sirgareth

                      LOL! Heat my little fool is the energy in a system that flows to another system of a different temperature.

                      Heat is not the energy content of a system.

                      And once again you show yourself to be spectacularly ignorant.

                      LOL!

                    • RE: “Heat is not the energy content of a system.”

                      Here’s a simple question for you shit-for-brains How much heat energy is contained in a system comprised of liter of water at 373.16 K?

                      Heh heh…high school physics test question, can shit-for-brains get it right?

                    • How much heat energy is contained in a system comprised of liter of water at 373.16 K?

                      Why did you specify water? Is the heat content dependent on the material being considered?

                      Yup. That is not the case with temperature. It is independent of the material being considered.

                      So in your seemingly infinite ignorance you have just admitted – through your question – that Temperature is not heat and is not the energy content of the system.

                      LOL.. You poor, pathetic, bag of Ignorance.

                    • What are you shit-for-brains? let me guess. A school teacher?

                      RE: “Why did you specify water? Is the heat content dependent on the material being considered?”

                      Err….yes shit for brains…its called “specific heat” shit for brains. A liter of water has a different heat content than other substances at an equal temperature shit-for-brains.

                    • “You see, a liter of water has a different heat content than other substances at equal temperature shit-for-brains.” – sirgareth

                      LOL. Did you even realize that the heat content of a substance is a bulk (Marxist, average) characteristic?

                      LOL! You are quite the ignorant little fool.

                    • LOL. Did you even realize that the heat content of a substance is a bulk (Marxist, average) characteristic

                      Just as I thought, you read Karl Marx instead of Isaac Newton shit-for-brains

                    • “How much heat energy is contained in a system comprised of liter of water at 373.16 K?” – mentally ill sigareth

                      LOL. Before or after the water boils?

                      As usual, you prove yourself to be intellectually inferior and transparent.

                    • “What are you shit-for-brains? let me guess. A school teacher?” – Sigareth

                      Just call me “physics professor”.

                      You are running on a combination of grade 5 science with a smattering of grade 8 science.

                      You would fail any grade 6 science test.

                      LOL!

                    • Well shit-for-brains, I had you pegged right on, another shit-for-brains school teacher spreading the gospel of of Al Gore, another shit-for-brains who flunked out of divinity school.

                      RE: “Is the heat content dependent on the material being considered?”

                      Yes, shit for brains, that’s why I specified the substance.

                      Do you want to thank me for teaching you that different substances have different heat carrying capacities shit-for-brains?.

                      Don’t mention it, by tomorrow you;ll have forgotten it and be asking me again

                      Whatever they are supposed to teach in skool, either they or you missed the boat entirety shit-for-brains. Now it seems you are carrying on the tradition of spreading ignorance.

                    • “I had you pegged right on, another shit-for-brains teacher ” – sirgareth

                      Rarely are fools like you seen at the Graduate level, as your kind are weeded out at the k though 8 level.

                      Very occasionally a student will develop a mental illness like yours, in which case we typically suspend their program and refer them to the administration where the parents are informed and the former student is guided toward psychiatric treatment.

                      Psychiatric assessment is something I strongly suggest for you.

                      There are medications available that will prevent you from continuing to believe that numerical averaging is a Marxist plot to overthrow the world.

                      LOL

                    • RE: “Is the heat content dependent on the material being considered?”

                      “Yes, shit-for-brains,” – sirgareth

                      And is the bulk material comprising the Earth’s ocean’s changing substantially?

                      If yes, then where is your evidence.

                      If no, then you now know why your whining complaints are pure ignorance.

                      LOL!

                    • “Heat is energy shit-for-brains” – Sirgareth

                      LOL. The very definition you present to support your claim, disproves it.

                      def: heat is ENERGY that spontaneously passes between a system and its surroundings in some way other than through work or the transfer of matter.

                      And you are too much of a moron to even recognize it.

                      Ahahahahahahaha…. How do you manage to feed yourself.

                      How do you develop enough neural energy to lift the spoon to your mouth?
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                    • Look shit-for-brains, a substance above 0 K, has energy. It doesn’t need to transfer it in order to possess it. Unlike you, I possess wealth, I don’t need to fill your tin cup with a bit of it in order for me to possess it or measure it shit-for-brains.

                      What the hell do you think an electron volt is you stupid dumbf*ck perfesser

                      The trouble is you that look things up on the internet but you don’t possess the capacity to understand what is being said shit-for-brains.

                    • Hey shit-for-brains, tell us how to take the “average” temperature of that cup of tea.

                      And keep your climate comics to yourself, only shit-for-brains like yourself believe they represent anything but cartoon images.

                    • “You have not begun to analyse your tea cup.” – Sirgarath

                      LOL! What do you think thermometers are for, child?

                    • “Thermometers are used primarily, to stick in someones asshole.” – sirgareth

                      Well then, an asshole like you must get a lot of use. No wonder you hate thermometers and try and pretend that temperature is a meaningless concept.

                      LOL!

                      You are mentally ill Boy. Have you seen a psychiatrist?

                    • Tapping on that wooden skull: Knock Knock Knock….”wake up shit-for-brains”

                      Sir Gareth has told you at least a dozen times that temperature is a very useful concept, it’s “average temperate” that’s just more Marxist bullshit.

                    • LOL.

                      “”average temperate” that’s just more Marxist bullshit” – sirgareth

                      LOL!

                      How do you stupid people like you manage to feed yourselves?

                      Temperature an average. Temperature is a bulk characteristic and as a bulk characteristic it is an average over the bulk.

                      An electron for example is not a bulk, and hence an electron in isolation has no temperature. The concept is not defined.

                      LOL… Seriously… How do you stupid people like you manage to feed yourselves?

                      Shameful. Absolutely shameful…

                    • “reprising us of the “average” temperature of the sun”. – sirgareth

                      LOL. Since I have not computed the average temperature of the sun for you (LOL), It can not be “reprised” by me.

                      You have used the word incorrectly. Also you omitted the “for” from the phrase “reprising for us”..

                      LOL. If you are going to use words, you should know what they mean, NutJob.

                      In any case, to the calculation. Since we are dealing with the earth’s surface temperature, the sun’s average surface temperature will be calculated.

                      As you correctly indicated earlier, there are many ways to define the average, and in this instance I will define it as in terms of the Boltzmann distribution such that Total Power Output per unit area, (unit radiant exitance) = sigma * T**4.

                      Solar energy generation is measured to be 3.828 E26 watts.
                      Sigma = Boltzmann’s constant = 5.670 E -8
                      Sun Surface Area = 6.09×1018 m**2

                      So the Average solar temperature computes to be 5770’K

                      Current measurements for T are actually 5772 K

                      Solar output varies by a factor of 0.03 over the solar cycle or about +-20’K in the average surface temperature.

                      LOL!

                    • You missed on so many points I don’t have time to enumerate then all shit-for-brains.

                      First I said the sun not its surface and even If I did specify its surface, the sun is graced by sunspots that vary in number and magnitude all the time. Sunspots are considerable cooler than other areas of the surface. The correct answer is that its impossible to offer more than a gross estimate.

                      Secondly, global warming is about atmospheres not surfaces so even your assumption is wrong headed shit-for-brains

                      Thirdly, where suns surface is “approximately” (precision is not possible) 10,000 F whereas the outer corona is over 3,500,000 F.

                      OK shit-for-brains which contains more heat a cubic meter of the surface at 10K F or the outer corona at 3.5M F?

                      Don’t bother answering, I’m growing weary of schooling you “perfesser”

                      .

                    • “Lets stick a thermometer in the Earth’s asshole and see what it is right now:” – sirgarath

                      LOL. So now you think that the current temperature of the Detroit is the same as the average global temperature.

                      My goodness you are an ignorant fool.\

                      Hahahahahahahahah… stupid…stupid…Stupid…

                    • “What is the shape of the tea cup? What material is it made of, copper? Styrofoam?” – Sirgareth

                      LOL. Well you see, moron. You don’t need to know any of that to know the temperature of the tea contained in the cup.

                      It’s one of the reasons why temperature is a useful concept.

                      It also nicely illustrates your complete ignorance of basic science.

                      You must have flunked out of grade 5.

                    • The speed of an automobile is a very important concept shit-for-brains.

                      The average speed of an automobile might be a useful concept under certain conditions shit-for-brains.

                      The average speed of all of the Earth’s automobiles (or molecules) is a useless concept unless you are a friggin Marxist shit-for-brains

                    • “The speed of an automobile is a very important concept shit-for-brains.” – sirgareth

                      Yes, the instantaneous speed tells you many things.

                      The average speed tells you many more things.

                      Yet we have no information on the average speed of Cars in the U.S.

                      This is a limitation in measurement, not a limitation in the physics as you have implied by calling averages “marxist bunk”.

                      LOL!

                      You know, density, height, width, depth, are are all averages as well.

                      In fact all bulk characteristics are averages, for the obvious reason that they apply to a bulk.

                      No wonder you don’t understand anything about the world around you.

                      LOL!

                    • RE: “This is a limitation in measurement, not a limitation in the physics as you have implied by calling averages “marxist bunk”.

                      OK shit-for-brains list at least 10 things that are limitations in measurement of the global average temperature If you cant list then list at least the number equal to your IQ

                    • “OK shit-for-brains list at least 10 things that are limitations in measurement” – sigareth

                      LOL. I’m not going to do your work for you.

                      Every known source of error has been investigated and quatified. All are used to produce an estimated error in the final result.

                      The independent BEST climate reconstruction puts the error in modern measurements of global average temperature at close to zero. The error bars are indistinguishable from the thickness of the pens used to draw the plots.

                      You don’t state any sources of error, because you are too stupid to be able to come up with any that you know that you are safe from mentioningd without the potential of being lambasted yet again for being supremely ignorant.

                      LOL..

                      You are transparent.

                    • RE “Every known source of error has been investigated and quatified”

                      How about the unknown errors themselves as well as the unknown errors in quantifying the known errors, shit-for-brains. How are they handled?

                    • “How about the unknown errors themselves ” – sirgareth

                      You mean the ones that the voices in your heat cause you to fantasize about?

                      Aren’t they the same voices that are telling you to put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger?

                      You should listen to them.

                      LOL!

                    • I was thinking of the titanic kind of unknown errors such as “this ship is unsinkable” shit-for-brains.

                      I live in the real world, it’s not hot here shit-for-brains. Maybe you are in hell already and ascribing it to “global” warming,

                      Meanwhile, Minnesota is truly freezing over (-23 F tonight ).

            • Even Al Gore’s college professor who turned Gore onto Global Cooling, Global Warming, Climate Change (or whatever you want to call it), came forward within the past year or so and said that it was a false science. Then Al Gore came back and said the professor was suffering from dementia. I don’t think so!! Al Gore has made billions off of this false science.

              • Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire.

                “said that it was a false science.” – 4dees

                Gore’s teacher in climate science science was Roger Revelle, and he died in 1991.

                https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c443b25bc5c38f6e0893428fe55dcd880a1b004216bea005ac3f6e3e081dd763.jpg Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

                “Al Gore has made billions off of this false science.” – 4dees

                Al Gore’s personal wealth is approximately 180 million.

                • Al Gore never got close to a science course in college; he took religious courses.

                  All Gore’s background in mathematics, the language of science, ended in the 8th grade with percentages and decimals.

                  He had no means to take any collegiate level science that requires proficiency in calculus, which requires an IQ considerably higher than Al Gore was saddled with.

                  • Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

                    “Al Gore never got close to a science course in college;”

                    Scientist Roger Revelle was one of Gore’s professors at Harvard.

                    “As early as the 1980s, the energy industry began taking steps to prevent the public from believing that humans are warming the planet. Revelle’s belief until his death that global average warming in the 21st Century would probably fall in the range of one to three degrees Celsius, a position well-known to his colleagues, held great sway in science circles and policy bodies. Revelle’s student at Harvard, Al Gore, was gaining public attention through the 1980s and he was passionate about what Roger had led him to see.”

                    The Cosmos Myth

                    http://www.ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/myths/revelle-gore-singer-lindzen

                    • Al Gores real professor:

                      “The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property.” – Karl Marx.

                    • Hey shit-for-brains,

                      Politically funded “scientists” behave just like the rats they study, they will do anything for their reward. Stalin paid for Lysenkoism so that’s the science his rats performed for.

                      Our own Marxists paid for “global warming,” so that’s what our rats performed for.

                      Trump is going to pay for “no big deal” and the grants are already being written.

                      Watch the rats run their new reward.

                      See rat run Run Run Run.

                    • “Our own Marxists paid for “global warming,”” – sirgareth

                      Are you trying to say that the 98% of all scientists who know the Globe is warming due to emissions of CO2 are “marxists”?

                      I bet you think they are all busy in their offices computing, how did you put it.. “Stalinist averages”.

                      Hahahahahahahah….

                      You are mentally ill little boy. Get yourself to a psychiatrist before you hurt yourself.
                      On second hand, just put a bullet in your own brain. You are worthless, and nothing but a burden on society.

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                    • RE: “Are you trying to say that the 98% of all scientists who know the Globe is warming due to emissions of CO2 are “marxists”?”

                      No, shit-for-brains, I don’t “try” to say anything and I never “tried” to say this. For all I know they are good little capitalists investing in oil companies and airlines for a great investment return.

                      What I say and don’t “try” to say it is that your “scientists” behave just like the rats they study and why not? Don’t they all run their little courses to get their cheese reward (grants) at the end of the run?

                      I cant figure out whats wrong with the 2% holdouts. Don’t they know that the Marxist paymasters only have rat poison at the end of the “denial” trail?

                    • I see. So the globe isn’t warming because you have fabricated a lie about what Al Gore’s university science professor told him.

                      LOL!

                      A few posts ago you claimed that Gore had no science professors.

                      Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

            • Gore wanted to create a sense of panic so he could make even more millions than he already had by selling carbon offsets through his own company. Forbes referred to him and his partner in 2013 as, “Al Gore and his carbon credit huckstering partner David Blood, both principals at Generation Investment Management (GIM).” Congress never passed the cap-and-trade legislation he needed.

              People like Gore look ridiculous, but they are dangerous sociopaths who are willing to exploit others to enrich themselves. He must have known his propagandistic predictions weren’t true, but he needed others to believe it. No wonder the movie was banned in British schools unless there was a balanced discussion.

              I agree wholeheartedly with your reasonable stand on the environment.

              This is a link to the Forbes article if you are interested.
              http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/11/03/blood-and-gore-making-a-killing-on-anti-carbon-investment-hype/#30eae5913750

                    • You keep calling me names. I don’t mind if it keeps your snowflakes from melting. Before your argument can hold water you need to prove a couple of things. First you must prove “Climate Change” is man made. Next you must decide if the planet is cooling or is it warming. I have heard both arguments from you side of the isle(EGore). Are you old enough to remember? I will leave you with one task that is the solution to your problem. Find the Thermostat for the sun.

                    • I wasn’t aware that identifying someone as stupid was “name calling”.

                      Would it also be name calling if I identified you as having downs syndrome or cancer?

                      “First you must prove “Climate Change” is man made.” – DaFool

                      I would love to. But it will have to wait until you learn how to add and subtract.

                      When will you know how to do that?

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/150c2529b1e707a812367749fff450d70dae6905231cbb6633e1270ec7b30bd2.jpg

                    • and you are Al Gore’s proxi? Where are your pretty charts with sun proxi measures, world wide volcanic activity, and forest fires caused by lightening?

                    • vs. CO2 is not the question. It’s verses proxi measure(temperature) and vs. the sun’s proxi measure(temperature). CO2 is not even an issue because plant life loves it. If you think CO2 is a problem then you need to speak with the Oceans.

                    • If the planet is warming CO2 is not the cause. I told you were to look, but you will not consider it because there is not a man made cause or solution.

                    • Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire..

                      “If the planet is warming CO2 is not the cause.” – FollowDaStupid

                      Since CO2 absorbs Infrared radiation from the surface of the earth and re-emits some of it back down towards the earth, the earth’s surface must become warmer.

                      This is basic physics that you are denying. Physics that is 200 years old. Physics that is experimentally verified, Physics that is trivial.

                      You are clearly mentally ill.

                      LOL!

                      Greenland is melting.

                      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d49b98a7cab40df396aff652610ead1ed53263c581d95b326642c61839723faf.jpg

                    • Then according to you CO2 would reflect some of the sun’s infrared energy? This would keep the sun’s energy from warming the earth’s surface? Sun, Earth, Earth, Sun. Who wins?

                    • “Then according to you CO2 would reflect some of the sun’s infrared energy? ” – FollowDaStupid

                      LOL. It does indeed.

                      “This would keep the sun’s energy from warming the earth’s surface?”- FollowDaStupid

                      The fraction that doesn’t reach the Earth’s surface can’t warm the Earth’s surface… yes.

                      “Who wins?” – FollowDaStupid

                      LOL! The mechanism is described in grade 5 science classes all around the world, and you are completely ignorant of it. Hahahahahahahahahahha

                      The bulk of the energy emitted by the sun is in the visible range. That is why our eyes evolved to see the visible range. We don’t see heat.

                      In any case the majority of energy from the sun passes though the atmosphere, is absorbed by the ground, converted to long wave infared radiation and re-radiated away from the surface. This long wave radiation is what is absorbed by CO2 and 50 percent of the time re-radiated back down toward the earth.

                      Since there is more long wave radiation moving outward from the earth than inward from the sun, the net effect is warming.

                    • Glad you are on it. Now all you have to do is get Al Gore to do is reduce his carbon foot print and we will all be fine.

                    • Yes, I purchase carbon credits from myself every time I burn my trash, get on my jet, or uses more than $20K a month in electricity for my house.

                    • Good point.

                      Al Gore purchases Carbon Credits from companies that do many things to offset net CO2 emissions. You know.. Things like reforestation. As trees grow they remove CO2 from the air.

                      You know how CO2 is plant food. Trees love the stuff.

                      Ahahahahahahahahahah…….

                      Well done Mr. Gore.

                    • You are way behind the times. My company has miles and miles of barbwire fence which I lease by the mile. Why would this have anything to do with carbon you ask? It is a 100% all natural Cedar Tree planting device. No green houses, seed harvesting, or driving to the field to plant the trees. Go crunch your numbers and I bet it takes more carbon to plant your EGore trees than CO2 conversion in the trees first 15 years of life.

                      Please give the Charts a rest. Anyone can get out their Crayolas and draw Charts.

                    • ” I told you were to look” – FollowDaStupid

                      LOL! I looked and all I found was more of your stupidity.

                    • Your analogy sucks. CO2 is watermelon food whose byproduct is O2. Living creatures utilize 02 whose byproduct is CO2. Do you remember from 5th grade general science? As far as Cocaine it was one of Hitler’s favorite brain poisons.

                    • and what’s the problem? Who cares if the ice caps melt? As you must realize if the sun cools and we attempt to cool the planet by our own actions we all starve to death or do we freeze to death? Never mind…. I understand that reduction of the current world population by 90% is your goal. If you are not familiar with your goals I would suggest reading up on Agenda 21 and make sure your name is on the right list.

                    • “Who cares if the ice caps melt? ” – FollowDaStupid

                      Anyone who cares to eat.

                      “As you must realize if the sun cools” – FollowDaStupid

                      Photons emitted at the core of the sun take something on the order of 100,000 years to reach the sun’s surface. They diffuse outward from the core very slowly due to the very high density of the plasma, and the fact that the plasma is of course composed of electrically charged particles.

                      Plasma acts as an effective shield for electromagnetic radiation.

                      The long transfer time has implications for the rate at which the sun can change temperature. Since the reserve energy that is slowly making it’s way to the surface of the sun is so large, and the speed so slow, there is essentially a constant reserve of energy below the sun’s surface that is being released into the layers above.

                      Since the reserve is essentially constant and the sun’s emission rate is governed by the radiance curve of a black body where E = sigma * Area * T**4, there is no way for the sun’s output to change by more than a couple of percent, without a significant change in it’s surface area, which translates to a change in it’s radius.

                      E = sigma * 4 * pi * R**2 * t**4

                      t will also be a function of r, but this will be related to the depth of the compression wave that any breathing mode will reach.

                      Roughly speaking delata V will be proportional to delta t. and if we set the depth of the compression wave to be 10% of R, we get R**2-(R-1000)**2 is proportional to delta t.

                      So delta t is proportional to -1000R

                      So dE = sigma * pi * R**2 * (r0+k*1000R)**4 dt.

                      Since dE must be close to zero due to the very large reserve of E, then dt must be even smaller.

                      In practical terms dt can not change by more than a few percent over time periods longer than a century.

                      So the proposition “if the sun cools”, isn’t going to happen any time soon.

                      It just ins’t physically possible.

            • I buy climate change, and I buy that human industry has an effect on it. What I don’t buy is the severity of that effect. We eliminated many CFCs, which was smart. We eliminated a lot of particulate pollution, which was smart. No we’re going after CO2, which is ridiculous. To think humans are going to completely change the climate of an entire planet in a matter of decades is so silly.

              As an example, the same kinds of people claim that a nuclear war would put the Earth into a Nuclear Winter. Yet, nearly 2,000 nuclear warheads have been detonated since 1945, and the climate didn’t even flinch.

              The reality is, most of what mankind does is a drop in a very large bucket. It’s why Fukushima hasn’t irradiated the whole Pacific like some nuts claimed it would. It’s why you could literally dump every nuclear reactor and every bit of nuclear waste into the Pacific and not change much.

              These people overestimate our ability to change climate and underestimate how vast this planet is. It’s like ants living in a hole in your wall being worried about changing the temperature of your living room.

              • “What I don’t buy is the severity of that effect.” – Kein

                Normal Human body temperature is 37’C. People start dying when their body temperature rises by 4’C.

                This is also the case for most animals, especially fish who have a body temperature that is equal to the water around them.

                A CRACK IN ANTARCTICA IS FORMING AN ICEBERG THE SIZE OF DELAWARE

                An iceberg the size of Delaware is starting to break away from Antarctica. It began with a small crack, but has now grown 70 miles long and more than 300 feet wide. When it reaches the edges of the ice sheet, the state-sized chunk will drift away into the sea.
                The crack is a third of a mile deep—reaching all the way to the sea below. It’s a relatively new rift in the ice sheet, called Larsen C, but is following in its icy brethren’s footsteps: Larsen A and B both broke away from the main Antarctic sheet in the last two decades in much the same way. All three began with clefts in the ice and eventually floated away to disintegrate.

                https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f66840a53312ee53a640ca40d48e7dfa908053df49fdc70649758ee1782a84a0.jpg

                • Hot news flash, folks! These Antarctic ice sheets break up all the time. It’s what they do. Bergs the size of small States are common. So are leftists panicking about them. Meanwhile the glacier on the Continental land mass keeps growing thicker.

                • What a crackpot comment.

                  Humans thrive in climates where “average” temperatures are -30 F

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakutsk

                  to places like Kuwait City where daytime temps routinely hit +122 F that’s a range of 152 degrees.

                  More of your stupidity follows. Ice selves “break away” and icebergs calve because there is too much ice, not too little.

                  Try this scientific experiment: Pour an ounce of molasses onto the middle of card table top, now look at the floor. Note that nothing spilled onto the floor.

                  Now pour the the whole 32 ounce bottle of molasses onto the center of the card table

                  Look at the floor.

                  What caused all that molasses on the floor? Did you pour too little and that caused the breakaway

                • Not sure what this has to do with the price of tea in China.

                  It in no way describes to what extent human activity contributes to it. That is my point. The climate changes, has always changed, and will always change. There will be a glacial period in the future at some point. There will be a much warmer period at some point as well, when the Ice Age we are currently in (and have been for all of human history) finally ends.

                  With or without humans, the climate will change. Pointing to something changing and saying “look! we’re doing that!” is silly at best and grossly arrogant at worst. There is no full model of the climate, so we cannot predict how it will change or what, if any, effects human activity contributes.

                • That’s what happens when there is an abundance of ICE . . .
                  Antartica has grown over 680,000 sq km of Ice in the last decade.
                  Didn’t the Enviro-loons get stuck there in December 2014 while retracing the steps of a 1905 expedition? They were still over 60 miles away from where the 1905 group landed . . . and stuck in the ICE. Had to get rescued by helicopter in the middle of the southern hemisphere SUMMER ! ! !

                  • Overall, a recent estimate puts Antarctic net mass balance at -71 ± 53 gigatonnes per year8, so just negative over the 19 year survey. Mass losses are increasing in West Antarctica and the Antarctic Peninsula. The mass balance of West Antarctica is dominated by dynamic losses from the Amundsen Sea sector, and dynamic gains from the Kamb Ice Stream8. From the period 2005-2010, Shepherd et al. (2012) estimate the mass balance of the entire Antarctic Ice Sheet to be -81 ± 37 gigatonnes per year8.
                    An unweighted average of recent estimates suggests that Antarctica moved from a weakly negative mass balance in the 1990s to a faster rate of mass loss at a rate of between -45 and -120 gigatonnes per year7. Larger dynamic losses in West Antarctica are being partially offset by increases in accumulation over East Antarctica.

                    Accelerating total mass losses from Antarctica
                    The GRACE (Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment) satellite gravity mission shows that total mass loss in Antarctica is accelerating over time. They found that total mass loss increased by 26 ± 14 gigatonnes per year from 2002 to 20099. Rignot et al. (2011) found a smaller acceleration of 14.5±2 gigatonnes per year from 1993-20115, but this change is still three times larger than that found for mountain glaciers and ice caps.

                    http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/antarctic-ice-sheet-surface-mass-balance/

            • You don’t realize that our air is cleaner then ever before. There is a point of diminishing returns that we have reached under the idiot Obama.
              The EPA has published a 2008 report that the air is cleaner now then 30 years ago… But they still want to do more which will further damage the economy. And Obama was only too happy to give them a free hand.

            • Did Al Gore say “climate change” or “global warming” in his video “An Inconvenient Truth”? Have to admit I only watched outtakes from it myself; hard to get too motivated from my vantage point:

              –I took Environmental Physics from respected enviro-scientist John Harte in 1979 (he was a close associate of Ehrlich and Holdren)–the course explained the “greenhouse effect” but there was no panic, the big thing the curriculum emphasized was we were running out of everything especially oil

              –I still have my copy of the “Club of Rome” they made me read in college in 1978, it stated flatly that we would run out of oil by…..2015

              In my 6th grade science text a decade earlier than that it showed a graph of the previous Ice Ages (note the plural) and how the last one ended 12,000 years ago when the ice sheets started melting from as far south as Sacramento…it simply said “it is going to get warmer until is stops and starts getting cold again as it did in the previous cycles”

              when the NY Times isn’t even as coherent as an old elementary science text it kind of tells you where we are. The childish insistence of only “man made” change is pathetic.
              Clarity can be found by reviewing Lindzen’s 1992 paper predicting the ensuing political schemes:

              http://ccgi.newbery1.plus.com/blog/?p=324

              http://defyccc.com/richard-lindzen-global-warming-alleged-consensus/

            • True. And in the Earth’s 4.5 Billion years, there has never been “climate constant” — never. It’s human nature and arrogance to want things to stay ‘normal’ but the normal for Earth is constant, gradual, change.

            • There is no global cooling. There is global warming, although in some regions, there are extreme fluctuations in temps, and some experience more snow than they have ever seen in history, while most of the planet is far too hot. “Climate change” is a more sensible term than “global warming,” because morons cannot understand that even in areas where there is extreme cold, most of the planet is experiencing extreme heat.

              • More real science . . .

                We know that there is no such a thing as self-heating greenhouse and yet new theories have been invented to argue something that cannot be argued.

                We know that there is nothing in common in IR spectra between CO2, methane and water and yet they have been classified together as ‘greenhouse gases’ because they absorb infrared radiation, together with millions of other molecules.

                We know that CO2 in the atmosphere could not be detected by a standard IR-spectrometer and yet that property of CO2 has been used to argue for the existence of a greenhouse effect.

                We know that all the knowledge about the physical world comes from experiments that can be validated and not from calculations that cannot be validated. And yet, everything about man-made global warming is about calculations and NOTHING about measurements.

            • But of course their objectives isn’t to be “right” or “reasonable” BUT to find a tool that they can use to subjugate their infidels. Thus far, the “progressive”‘s favorite weapons are: a) racism; b) sexism; c) xenophobia and d) (fading into reality) “man-made climate change” – yesterday’s “global warming”. These are pathetic dolts! Too bad there can’t be an adult conversation with them.

            • That’s why their predictions are all 100 years in the future. No one living today will be around to see they were wrong. This is also why they use subjective language when describing the future effects of climate change – might be, could be, may be, etc. We don’t say 2+2 “might be” 4. We say 2+2 IS 4. Here’s where the idiots who don’t listen carefully get off track. When some climate change proponent tells them,”The sea level in New York City might be 15 feet higher,” they run out in a panic like Chicken Little (or Al Girl) and interpret it to mean,”The sea level in New York City WILL BE 15 feet higher.” They become useful idiots for scientists who seek more funding for their bogus research.

          • I remember the comping ice age thing well. Here is how is see it: Fear sells, liberals are more emotion over thought and bingo, they pedal something to be fearful of. The climate has always been changing. What causes it, hair spray, hydrocarbons, cow farts? Too many government grants going to so called scientists to “prove” what they’ve been granted to push.

            • The real reason for the hysteria is they want to spread the wealth with billions going to monetary support and grants for the third world in the name of coping with global warming. How do you think they got the pope to buy into this scheme. More than likely didnt tell him the whole story and he bit, doesnt hurt that he has a revolutionary history coming from South America.

          • The term “Global Warming” describes that the seas are warmer and warming faster than they normally would. Some parts of the Earth will experience extremes in temperature, because of climate disruption. Some experience colder temps and unusual amounts of snow, while other parts of the world have record temperatures and extreme drought.

            The recorded record warmth in this nation goes up every single year. This is a fact. It is affecting our local climate. In some parts of the world, like China, their severe manmade drought is preventing rainfall. The rivers are drying up. Their crops cannot grow.

            In Syria, their civil war began with many years of record drought in Syria. People had no food. They had to migrate to other parts of the country, and rather than feeding them, Assad decided to kill them. The entire debacle began with unabated drought.

          • (Sigh!) How I long for the good old days when every day featured temperatures of 58-81F and soft and salubrious breezes blew throughout the day and night, when there were no hurricanes (or harricanes as Jerry Lee Lewis used to say), tornadoes, or severe winters. Then Man had to go and eff it all up. Back in the day all we had to contend with were droughts, poisonous snakes, wild animals, smallpox, leprosy, the Black Plague, malaria, polio, cholera and an average lifespan of less than thirty years. Those were the Good Old Days.

          • If I’m not mistaken the Ozone hole was real and has pretty much been reversed but that would be one case where a specific action HAs yielded the result that we were after. Man made “global” level climate change is impossible for us to create or stop

            • Wished he would have picked Myron Ebell for the position. Ebell has been on his transition team wrt environment/EPA issues and his position was more inclined to dismantle the EPA.

              – Freeze the regs at 2010 levels and repeal all regs since ’10
              – 10 yr ‘holiday’ on any new regs to stabilize the business environment
              – Dismantle the Fed EPA agency – morphing 20% of it into Interior Dept
              – 50% of current EPA budget block granted to states for enforcement of 2010 regs and general oversight of environment
              – No current Fed EPA employee may seek state level position (i.e., the purge of the leftist running the EPA)

              The EPA must be DISMANTLED – they cost individuals and businesses over $1 trillion dollars a year and also loss of productivity (incalculable) on top of that – its time to delete this leftist parasite agency.

                • I hope certain limits would be placed on how much the states can regulate, perhaps under the interstate commerce clause. I hate my home state with their shutting down nuclear power plants and hydroelectric plants which has driven the price of electricity so high that we are rivaling electric costs in Hawaii yet have a much hotter climate. This is driving business out of state, not to mention the high cost to households which alone adds up to billions a month over the approximately 10 million households in this state.

                  In a move so stupid that it could only happen in government they’ve taken out so many power plants that we no longer generate enough electricity to meet demand. In addition, they are going to close the last nuclear plant in the state which generates nearly 10% of our electricity. On top of it, they have mandated that a certain percentage of cars on California roads be electric and this percentage increases each year. Where is all this electricity to come from? Also, if electric cars were the way to go people would be buying them without the government having to provide job robbing subsidies and under force of law to buy them. So much for a market economy.

              • ANY agency that in effect WRITES LAW (and calls them regulations) usurps the role of Congress. Therefore, ALL such agencies must suffer one of two fates (or a combination of the two): 1. Every single reg and change of regs MUST pass Congressional debate and approval resulting in a BILL which then goes through the system to become an actual law. Or, 2., While agencies can be tasked to help enforce laws, NO agency shall be permitted to make a law/regulation except those governing their own internal operations. Legislating is the job of our Legislative Branch, never of alphabet-soup agencies. I know, #Libtards, this takes all the fun out being bureaucratic dcikheads. Too bad, so sad.

            • No the so called hole is a natural phenomenon caused by a cyclical updraft that just goes away when the updraft stops. They didn’t put that in the regular news because it didn’t fit what Gore wanted. Follow the money to be made on carbon trading!

            • I still wonder if that was also another scam – No one has ever explained how the release of heavier-than air molecules (CFCs) at ground-level in the northern hemisphere can affect a high-altitude layer at the South Pole.

              • That’s why they call it junk-science ! If reasonable doubt can be caused by just the application of a common-sense question like u just did, then it’s probably bogus.
                I remember those spray-cans that had the “Contains no CFCs” disclaimer and Im like WHO TF cares ? ? ? 99.99999999999% of all consumers have ZERO clue of WTF a CFC even is ! ! ! !

            • This is another bullshit story.

              Ozone “holes” have occurred over the antarctic for at least a million years and if an asteroid doesn’t smash the antarctic will continue to do so for at least the next million years

          • The ozone hole is on the mend. Thanks to folks who had the foresight to nip the problem in the bud (fulling knowing that folks like you would say exactly what you’re saying).

            BTW, you know that science is nothing more than “just theory”; you have a better way?

            • On the mend? In 2013, reports were of excessive ozone. The cause? They blamed global warming which caused more thunderstorms which created the excess. Now it’s true that lightning does generate ozone (nothing more than O3, high energy oxygen) but the rest of it is pure conjecture – or maybe nonsense.

              • Science starts as theory until facts prove the theory or disproves it. The problem with “climate change theories” is much of the data is altered or manipulated to show “climate change” is caused by mankind’s activities. Real scientists do not alter or manipulate data to achieve a forgone conclusion.

                    • RE: “BTW, you know that science is nothing more than “just theory”; you have a better way?”

                      “Science is the Belief in the Ignorance of Experts” — Richard Feynman PhD and Nobel Physics Laureate.

                    • That’s hardly shocking, science is always wrong. 99.97% of all scientific theories once held dear have now been rejected. The remaining 0.03% are only awaiting their turn for the trash barrel.

                      The best that can be said for science is that it offers utility, but never truth.

                      Our steam railroads ran beautifully by precisely applying the principles phlogiston theory. You couldn’t hope to run our steam trains without using phlogiston’s principles

                    • except for denialists will ALWAYS say that climate research based on modelling is totally devoid of utility, despite that scientific methods are employed as assiduously in that area as they are in all others, and ignoring that scientists, using models, have predicted warming (which is what we’re getting) for the last forty years

                    • Modeling a theory that has no method of disproof is a fool’s errand.

                      The only way for the Marxists to get people stupid enough to believe some bullshit that you can, you need the Marxists to make people as ignorant as they are: voila: “public” education.

                    • You don’t model theories. Theories ARE models. Theories are ideas or explanations of how things work. They aren’t expected to be exactly representative of reality, but rather are expected to provide a measure of predictability. Theories are just about always replaced – through time – by better theories. What denialists don’t get (or don’t WANT to get) is that you can’t prove theories in the scientific sense; and this is because you can never know enough about the natural world to consider all effects, and you can never observe with absolute precision and accuracy (so they say THERE’S NO PROOF! – as if proof is something easy or possible to come by).

                    • Yes theories are models, but 10,000 lines of fu’ked-up Fortran code is not a theory.

                      There are no theories that can accuracy predict the stock market or the millions of micro-climates will perform over the next 100 years or how much more ice will accumulate in the Antarctic over the same time period.

                      As Yogi Berra put it: “predictions are really hard, especially about the future”

                      The hubris of this fake charlatan climate scam is offensive; carnival barkers have more credibility.

                      Yes, you can model natural behavior if you stick to what is actually known which is precious little. For instance people who grow vegetables indoors in real greenhouses , have modeled how much better they grow if more CO2 is introduced into the air and these models ALWAYS work.

                      We will never be fooled by the ignorance of foisting the megadeath of socialism on the world for scads of theories, none of which have ever worked, for results that add even more misery to people’s lives.

                      I do not know if the next century’s millions of climates will be marginally warmer or cooler here or there over the next century, but neither does anyone else. NO ONE knows more than me about this and I freely admit know nothing. Why cant we have the same honesty from these fake fortune tellers who call their crystal balls “science”

                      It makes me nauseous. .

                      For almost all of the world’s populations warmer is better and more CO2 feeds more plants, animals and people. 400 ppm is near carbon starvation to a food hungry planet.

                    • It’s the easiest thing in the world to do to criticize the work of others (without offering anything better). And, since nobody has done better than those folks at NCAR, NOAA, and NASA at predicting global temperature averages, they should be listened to and/or challenged with a better model(s). CO2 doesn’t “feed” anyone. If conditions aren’t near-perfect for growing the crops that civilization has counted on for sustenance these thousands of years in the present age, then many fewer folks will be eating. The plants did fine on this planet with 280 ppm, and 400 ppm doesn’t need to be augmented for the sake of plants. Civilization has never known 400 ppm or above (or even above 280), and those who welcome higher CO2 levels aren’t operating on theory, but rather just wishful thinking. Good luck. And with this, I permanently conclude my remarks to you in this discussion.

                    • Thermodynamics was in its infancy 150 years after phlogiston theory was working very well for the planet. It could inform one how much energy one could get from boilers based upon the phlogiston content of various fuels.

                      Phlogiston theory worked very well; it wasn’t junk science like man-made climate change whose theories have always demonstrably failed.

                      I don’t think you understand at all, do you actually think that quantum theory is “finally correct” or even converging on “the truth?”

                    • ok, didn’t see this comment until just now; I don’t think that phlogiston theory has anything on modern thermodynamic theory; I studied thermodynamics in engineering school, and we didn’t dwell on phlogiston, ; that notion has been supplanted by far better theory; and with this, I really do conclude

            • Oh,yeah.We had to give up freon for A/C units,while Chinese made A/C units still use the stuff.Guess where WalMart’s window A/C units are made.They said it would take 50 years to ‘heal’,but it miraculously began to ‘heal’ once the ban for the United States was signed into law,before the ban really took affect.Summer sunshine that produces ozone at ground level was claimed to not produce upper atmosphere ozone,yet it did,every summer.The ozone ‘hole’,which was just a slight thinning every winter as the pole was turned away from direct sunlight,was ‘healed’ by nothing more than summer sun,as it always had been.

            • Yeah, they saved us from Martians attacking us too. They commissioned Slim Whitman to sing the “Indian Love Song” over and over until all their heads exploded into something like grape jelly.

              I saw this on a documentary called “Mars Attacks”

            • Please state a Fact about the actual Temperature of THE EARTH cooling or warming in anything but a cyclical fashion since the creation of earth! That is scientific “Climate Change” boodrow

              What pulled us out of the last Ice age??? Oh I would guess more Ice?>NOT How many Ice ages have we had since the creation??? Get over the BS and try to reason with some facts not THEORY from people that are directly being paid to find climate change – Self fulfilling jobs! Oh and scientist are the ones being PAID!

          • Ozone is likely the most misunderstood thing surrounding this silly climate argument. Yes there IS a huge hole in the ozone layer and it happens every night (and has since our planet had oxygen in the upper atmosphere).

            The misunderstanding comes in the radical nature of O3. It’s unstable and rarely exists beyond a few seconds before the extra oxygen atom is released, returning the molecule to O2. Knowing this it is unavoidable that ozone will be lost regardless of what mankind does to help or hinder it.

            The attention must turn to how ozone is created in the upper atmosphere, since the creation rate must exceed the loss rate to have any ozone concentration at all.

            Ozone is created by bombarding O2 with UV rays which breaks the molecule up into 2 free radical oxygen ions. The loose oxygens end up finding a very short lived home attached to a nearby O2 molecule, making it O3.

            So it isn’t O3 that protects us from UV light, it’s simple O2 that is driven to become O3 by the complete consumption of a UV photon. Therefore ozone in the atmosphere is a product of the UV light and oxygen.

            As long as there is oxygen in our atmosphere, and a star belching UV at us, there will be plenty of ozone. This is how God rolls. After all He’s the engineer who made our skin automatically convert UV light into a self-protection from …. UV light. Genius!

              • The truth is that positive feedback loops are rare and always catastrophic. Light a match when you smell gas and you might discover a real positive feedback loop.

                They don’t occur in nature because all of these loops have already run their courses and left us the stable hunk of rocks and dirt we live on,.

                Striking a match creates a small positive feedback loop. After the the feedback loop has run its course, striking the match again will never burn you.

            • The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
              H. L. Mencken

              (sometime in the 1920s)

          • It never got traction with the left. For one thing, it wasn’t a hole but a thinning of the atmosphere over the poles and had been going on forever. Just not sexy enough to sell, so Gore moved on to something that was shinier. If you want to have fun with your lefty friends (or family), offer $20 to anyone who can name Gore’s first climatic disaster vehicle (i.e. ozone hole). You will NEVER have to pay out.

        • The long national nightmare of this LIE is coming to an end. There is NO SUCH THING as “man-made global warming.” It’s a scam and a lie. Push back! Push these crooked “scientists” back into their liberal holes.

        • yes sir. I’m 44 and have been hearing about the coming destruction of the planet from GW since about ’82. by this time NY and FL were supposed to be under water along with most of the pacific islands, and CA was supposed to have broken of into the sea. LOL. I guess a P.T. Barnum used to say, there’s one born every minute.

        • I remember that BS too. It was the same NASA rocket scientist who now is funded by none other than George Soros, James Hansen, who invented the hockey stick theory to explain the coming Ice Age back then and when that balloon didn’t fly used this same failed theory to scare us about global warming. And Al Gore has been making millions from it and the crooked Franklin Raines who enriched himself cooking the books at Fannie Mae also stands to make a fortune from this lie because he owns the patent on the idea of Carbon Credits which steals money from consumers to give to carbon credit traders. Is it any wonder thinking people are tired of this BS and elected Donald Trump?

        • Given that this nonsense of anthropomorphic climate change was really just a smokescreen for their real objective, a one world government enslaving everyone for benefit of a relatively few, self-anointed “elites,” then yes, they are loons for thinking we would willingly swallow their codswallop without real proof, which they cannot produce.

          We are demanding real scientifically valid proof from skankers who can barely add two numbers together correctly.

        • I distinctly remember that headline during the winter of ’77.
          Too bad so many of our fellow Americans have such poor memories – and judgment…
          Al keeps pushing the agenda only b/c there’s a pile of cash in it for him. Look up the senate/congressional hearings when they filleted his behind.

        • There have been many ice ages. If you do not know this, go learn something. I am not sure what you are reading about “murmurs,” but you, sir, should be embarrassed. You probably believe that the Earth is 6000 years old, as do your friends. If you do not believe that, then congratulations. Zero population growth is a means to prevent the raping of resources in communities where resources are scarce. If you do not understand, yet, how land in Africa is drying up at exponential proportions, and historical man-made drought in China from so much pollution is preventing rain, and causing their rivers to dry up….the please google it and learn something. Your ignorance is obvious and should be embarrassing to you.

      • John, can you please post the link to this information or give me the reference as to where it came from? I would love to have a copy of this report to show it to my thick headed, brainwashed friends that this “global climate change” BS has been going on for decades and it is not just a current event.

      • says the commerce department from norway…..and the leftists don’t hear anything strange at all in that statement. The climate lie is the one lie the left will never give up….never. Without it no personal international carbon tax….no carbon tax no assault on private property, the holy grail of leftist socialist communists and globalists.

      • Hmmm…….sounds pretty cereal, eh? Give Kellogs a call and maybe they’ll contribute to your cause…LOL! In the meantime I trust that the polar bears, seals, flounder, and other sea creatures will survive without man’s support. They’ve been around a lot longer than we have. Just hope that there’s enough ice left for my 5:00 o’clock scotch and water!

      • I was so about to rip into you with real facts…right up until I got down to “I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported
        by the AP and published in The Washington Post – 93 years ago.”
        Bwaha! Good on ya!

      • Actually per NASA – the Icebergs are growing… The Greenhouse theory on Climate Change is so outdated bs from the 60s… We now know that Climate Change had a plethora of variables like Solar Flares, Sun Activity, the Changing of of Axis affecting Earth’s Electromagnetic layering systems… And Electromagnetic layering systems themselves in constant change which has very little to do w Human Behavior… Fact Most Astrophysicists do NOT think that Humans cause Climate Change because there is absolutely no scientific proof of this… Only people ignorantly assuming the Green House Model is Fact which it isn’t…. Our Universe works on the dynamics of Energy NOT Matter…

      • As for Global Warming, it is nothing more than more lies and deception from the left. You would think that we live in a time of reason but the Global Warming alarm is dressed up as science, yet it isn’t science. It’s propaganda. There is no evidence that 20th century global warming is linked to anthropomorphic greenhouse gases. The left has made it a defining moral and political cause in our age. Any criticism, no matter how scientifically rigorous, is considered illegitimate. Worse, you are quickly labeled a flat earthier and guilty of climate genocide. Any politician disagreeing with the radical environmentalist commits political suicide The truth is that the world’s climate is always changing and there is nothing unusual about our current temperature, and there is no scientific evidence that today’s temperature is driven by CO2 or man made, despite being told that it’s been proven beyond a doubt. Not one of the large climate changes in the past 1,000 years can be explained by CO2. The ice cores show that. There have been times when CO2 was 3-10 times higher. CO2 does not drive temperature. As for the IPCC, it like every UN panel is political. The vast number of names they boast as their support are not only non scientists, but many resigned out of disagreement about GW. The UN did not remove their names. Bottom line, there are many scientist that disagree with man made GW. Patrick Moore, co-founder of Green Peace calls it a political activist movement. Not environmental. It’s all about money. Hundreds of thousands of jobs depend on GW now. Its become a big business. You want funding? Then tie your project, research what ever to GW. Money will flow. Disagree and you will starve. Like the evolutionist, the global warming alarmist use censorship and intimidation to push their agenda. These tactics should be obvious to people. Developing countries like Africa are not allowed to develop despite having large quantities of natural resources availiable. The global warming crowd force them to use expensive energy producing methods such as solar panels so that their hospitals can not properly take care of their patients. People are dying as we speak because of this lie. Cheap availiable energy is the main reason for the increase and quality of earth’s population in the 1900’s. So what do we know? The earth’s climate has always been changing. In the past, there have been colder and warmer periods than today. This current warming period is about 200 years old and is coming out of the Little Ice Age of the 1450’s to 1850’s. Pictures show the river Thames frozen over. Before that was the Medieval Warm Period between 1000 and 1400. Temperatures then were higher than today. That has always been given as the reason for the great cathedrals built during these times. Man had a longer growing season which translated into more food. People thrived during this warm period. Chaucer mentioned vineyards in northern England. Areas that vineyards can not grow today because it is too cool !!!! The period before that was even warmer. The polar bears obviously survived that time. So why the hysteria over temperatures today? Follow the money. As for warming in this past century, 75% occurred before 1940. Before the great industrial boom. After 1940 instead of shooting up because of increased industrialization, it dropped for 40 years. When I was a kid, the NYT was warning of an imminent ice age. So, the facts actually did not and has not fit the theory that man made CO2 causes global warming. In fact CO2 is only 0.054% of the gases in our atmosphere. As for green house gases, water vapor makes up 95% of all green house gases. Everything else is insignificant. So if warming is due to green house gases, we should see more warming in the middle of the Troposphere than at the surface. That is how green house warming theoretically should work. 6 miles up should experience the most warming. All models predict that. But that is not what is happening. Warming is occurring at the surface more than at 6 miles up. That would suggest that the warming is not due to greenhouse warming. Every recent ice core survey now reveals the same result. CO2 LAGS behind temperature increase by 800 years. It does not drive temperature as the alarmist would like us to believe. In fact temperature increase causes CO2 to increase. CO2 follows temperature. This is astounding news but as with evolution, the facts and truth are suppressed by the powers to be. The very fundamental assumption of climate change is therefore wrong. CO2 is not a pollutant, nor are we the major source of CO2. Volcanoes produce far more CO2 than man and and more still from animals, bacteria and dying vegetation. But the biggest source of CO2 are the oceans. They act as a reservoir for CO2. The lag period is because oceans are so large and take a long time to heat up. As the earth gets warmer, the oceans then heat up and then the start releasing CO2. So if it is not CO2, what does cause warming. Strange as it may be, it is that massive thing in the sky. The Sun. The most accurate weather forecasters have been those who study the Sun. Namely, the Sun Spots, which are intense magnetic fields. Actually weather forecasters in centuries past knew that increased Sun Spots meant warmer weather ahead. During the Little Ice Age there was very little solar activity. Very few Sun Spots. Hence the colder weather. We have had some 15 years of less solar activity lately. That is the reason for recent cooler weather since 1998. In fact solar activity has been found to be intimately linked to temperature over the past 400 years. Increase solar activity translates into increase temperature. In conclusion, solar activity not CO2 is driving the weather. On top of that we have know that the Sun influences weather both directly and indirectly. We know that cosmic rays help produce clouds when they hit water droplets that then produce clouds. If the Sun’s activity is high, solar wind will push these cosmic rays away, thus less clouds will form, therefore the earth will become warmer because there are less clouds. Less solar activity, more clouds will form and clouds have a cooling effect. Temperature and cosmic rays have an inverse relationship.